databike

I recently got in to an accident after a car braked right in front of me because he was trying to get on the freeway and two from our group passed him to his right. I was right behind, and ate it big time.

I only have front brakes on my kilo tt. I know you are supposed to try to apply pressure using your legs to slow the back wheels, but often times I find it very difficult.

On downhills, I usually pump my front brakes so I don't go too fast and so I don't flip over the handlebars if I use the front brakes too hard.

Any tips on ways to stop faster, exercises to stop faster etc.

I am considering adding back brakes...

mikeee

+1 on tippssssssssss

Yellowbeard

No, you're not. You're supposed to learn how to use your front brake properly. That means practicing hard braking so that you know how much braking force you can apply without your rear wheel lifting off the ground. That's the fastest stop you can practically make.

Rear wheel braking is only valuable for:
a) basic redundancy
b) poor traction situations (snow, ice, gravel, etc.)
c) cornering near the limits of traction
d) reducing wear and heat on the front brake surfaces and pads

Sixty Fiver

At my shop I run into so many people who do not use their front brake because they have a fear of going over the bars when they should be more afraid of being unable to stop fast enough to avoid a collision.

I can tell they don't use their front brakes because they often have little to no wear while the rear brakes often need replacement.

A decent front brake will give you all the stopping power you will ever need if it is applied properly.

When you brake hard you need to shift your weight back as far as possible to keep the rear wheel in contact with the road and push against the bars to resist what can be nearly 1 g in braking force.... when the rear wheel starts to lift or skid you will know you have reached your maximum braking capacity and may have to modulate the brake a little.

This is something one needs to practice at every stop until it becomes reflex... and soft braking becomes more of a conscious effort.

Basically...once you have good technique, turn every stop into a panic stop.

Repeat this a few thousand times until you can stop the bike on a dime and get 5 cents change without thinking about it.

My youngest daughter (she's 9) does this all the time and I actually had to upgrade the brakes on her little 20 inch mtb to Avid V's with Kool stops because she can hit 35 kmh and needed far better braking power.

When I call "Stop" the girls know this is a right now affair becuase there may be some danger they can't see so they really hammer those brakes... and we practice this alot.

My youngest will use her brakes to modulate her speed when we are riding but when we hit a light or an intersection she hammers on the front brake... not the rear.

My oldest daughter has been taught the same thing and because they ride more upright bicycles with a set back position and higher bars going otb is not much of a risk.

Their front brakes are going to wear out long before the rear ones do.

rogwilco

I wouldn't recommend braking by back-pedaling, except at a low speed (maybe up to ~10m/h or so max), which is also the reason riding brakeless is so stupid in my opinion.

solbrothers

get a brake

muckymucky

whole can of worms~

i know riding brakeless puts me in a totally concentrated state of mind about my speed, surroundings, cars passing by, when to slow down...
i feel like having a brake allows you to neglect that state of mind so you just mash and mash and mash and hope that your brakes will save you when and if an accident occurs but it might be too late because you're going too fast~

i say learn to ride more consciously.
all this or im just talking out of my ass. <3

Tomo_Ishi

I say you collided because you were too close to the car you are following. But this doesn't mean you are bad or something. I get into similar situation with taxi cabs as they suddenly halt at cross-sections. This leaves me only two options. One to stop hard or steer out into another lane (which isn't really a better option).

The best idea is to learn to predict when car would suddenly slow down. Cross-sections, ramps, etc. (in my case, right after cross-sections.) So you are already slow enough to stop with ease if that happen. Yep, when you are "ready" to stop, you can stop. (kinda dumb I know, but it is very true)

But that doesn't mean you shouldn't practice hard-stopping and the other jibba-jabba.

This post doesn't mean I don't get into trouble anymore. In fact, I nearly slammed into a taxi last week. I had to stop so suddenly, my rear tire lifted up scary high. (I need to learn to brake better myself.)

kringle

That last comment is correct.

oldfixguy

Yes, unfortunately I find you to be talking out your ass. It is brakeless riders who are overwhelmingly reckless and endangering. Not the other way around. Of course, there is that <1% of riders who do it safely and do it well. Of course. But, I'm actually giving a lot of slack when I say 1%. I have every confidence the number is less that 1/10th of that. I'm tired of the "consciousness" mantra. Don't mistake me for a minute - if you choose to ride brakeless and you enjoy it then good. But, you are less safe regardless of how much attention you pay and if you are riding at any considerable speed you are downright reckless.

The individual is asking about brakes. He/she is not asking about how to improve their "consciousness" through taking on unnecessary and unintelligent risk.

rogwilco

Instead, I usually like to ride fast. Thanks though, if I ever feel the urge to meditate while cycling I'll consider removing my brakes.

LupinIII

he said ride aware, not ride slow. learn english

OP wouldn't have crashed if he was considering his outs. a car can stop closer than a bike, don't tailgate. if you're gonna tailgate, think about where you're gonna go to avoid a crash. when the car stops, you already know where you're gonna go.

rogwilco

Um, I understand English just fine, thanks.
And yes, there's no way he's as fast without brakes as I'm with brake, regardless of how "conscious" he is (lol btw, do you think I ride with my eyes closed?)

akaAndrew

I'd say that comment has a good degree of wisdom to it. That is; take note of your environment, be aware, make allowances, check what people & traffic are doing. Yes, all of the things you should be doing anyway (fixed or not) but more so!

It's kind of the reverse of 'the best defence is a good offence'; the most efficient braking is trying to make sure you don't have to! Other than that, practice hard braking on the front brake and learn its limits.

oldfixguy

This

databike

I wasn't tailgating btw. There was no bike lane on this street, so I was on the free way on ramp lane, to the left as possible. The car was on the lane nearest to the freeway on ramp lane. He switched lanes without signaling, but had to stop in the middle because two bikers rode to his right to pass him. I was just behind him when it happened. I don't think I ran in to him come to think about it, I think I tried to swerve out of the way and I lost control.
I guess I had a number of options, but all the ones I could think of involved me on the ground.

beeftech

Some times accidents are unavoidable.
Your two friends made it around him but in the process made the driver panic and stop. Don't be on the left side of the road when your on a freeway on ramp and cars are merging left, you put your self in a bad spot to begin with. Never rely on other people to signal.

Plan for the worst and hope for the best. It has never failed me.

twelsch42

This. If you apply slight to moderate back pressure (not trying to skid) while you're aggressively braking with your front brake - You will know when you've hit max braking force because of the feedback you receive from your legs. You will begin to skid with your rear wheel without really trying to skid. This is because friction is reduced between your wheel and the ground as your back wheel starts to loose contact with the ground.

Dion Rides

Yup. This is the way I brake on everything two wheeled, even my motorcycles. Since I ride everything, I find this technique to be valuable equally on the trails, where you're negotiating a NUMBER of things, let alone the steepness of some areas. You have roots, ruts, reggae, rocks, logs, small animals, other riders coming to opposite direction... all on a thin slice of singletrack among a forest of trees.

On my non-fixed off road bikes and motos, I use the rear brake to slide into turns... it's a faster way of getting through some stuff.

But even when we were BMX'ing back in the 80s and 90s, we still employed this. Not because anybody told us how... it just felt right. Folks would be suprised how much riding a variety of bikes helps in bike handling skills.

You are right, though. On a fixed gear with a front brake, you can stop ON A DIME.

bonechilling

Socrate

That's a hell of a frightening picture, it's bonechilling.

I'm relatively new to riding fixed, and have had to do some quick stops a few times. I ride with brakes, so should I feel the leg feedback that's being talked about? I've heard that riding fixed makes you more sensitive to exactly when your back wheel will lift up. I think I've felt this happen, but I've never actually fallen off due to a stop.

elTwitcho

Bonechillingly hilarious!

JohnDThompson 

And those would be the ones riding "Big Wheels®" on the sidewalk.

imakenoise

get a front brake, you can endo

ianjk

Seriously, just practice. First thing you should do when you hop on a new bike, in a new car, on a new motorcycle, etc is figure out how to stop, then how to stop in a hurry. Then find the limits. Common sense before heading out into the wild.