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    Mercier Kilo WT VS. Steamroller...

    Was wondering if anyone has an opinion. Up until a few days ago the bikedirect website was boasting that these were the same bike. Now it says comparable. Was thinking that it would not be to far fetched to say that both these bikes are built in the same factory. Seeing as it is not unheard of for Bikesdirecct to sell surly's. With the money I w0uld save on the bike, I could get a powder coat and no one would be none the wiser. Other then you the interwebs.

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    Since I personally would rather support a company that designs and markets bikes rather than a company that just bootlegs other existing designs, I'd go Surly. That's a personal ethics thing though, if that doesn't bother you you probably wouldn't be able to tell much difference between the bikes and it might be worth you saving your money.
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    The drop outs are different on both the frame and fork. Surly = beefier.
    But the Kilo WT is 520 steel (frame), which is nice. Surly is 4130.
    Surly has a separate seat post clamp.
    Can't tell right off what the hubs are on the WT, but bearings are cheap so whatever.
    Looks like the WT uses a cheap BB, but they're easy to replace as necessary.
    Two brakes on the WT is nice if you want to ride SS.
    WT doesn't come with cog / lockring.

    Personally I'd go with the Surly. In fact, I did and I love it. But that's just me.

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    Didn't notice the dropouts or the seat post clamp. Good call. Those difference right there are obvious reasons why the frame of one costs as much as the complete of the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Sorrell View Post
    The drop outs are different on both the frame and fork. Surly = beefier.
    But the Kilo WT is 520 steel (frame), which is nice. Surly is 4130.
    Surly has a separate seat post clamp.
    Can't tell right off what the hubs are on the WT, but bearings are cheap so whatever.
    Looks like the WT uses a cheap BB, but they're easy to replace as necessary.
    Two brakes on the WT is nice if you want to ride SS.
    WT doesn't come with cog / lockring.

    Personally I'd go with the Surly. In fact, I did and I love it. But that's just me.
    520 and 4130 are the same steel, 520 is a different branded tubeset is all.

    The WT and the Steamroller are both Taiwanese Tig'd steel, of basically the same high quality manufacturing.

    A frame with an external seat post clamp is better functioning, but I don't know if it'd be any cheaper to produce. In fact it might be more expensive. You still see lug clamps on new boutiquey retro frames.

    Surly's dropouts are nice but the WT's are hardly crap, they look sturdy.

    Don't be too sentimental about Surly, they are a QBP tentacle and out to make money just like everyone else by building bikes that people will buy (not that that necessarily precludes being cool/ having a soul).
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    kilo wt came with cog and lockring...

    at least mine did.
    "You win some, you lose some. All's you gotta do is win more than you lose and I'd say you're set."
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    More good points. The Surley doesn't have mounts either for fenders, right?

    One of my main points for buying this bike is for a good winter bike, I can take around town. Sold off my old fixie, and now all I have is a full carbon campy equip killer that curses me when I take it to the bars.

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    I'd get a surly cross-check.

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    @artesc: cool then. I read the specs pretty quick and maybe I missed that. Looked like it came with freewheel only.

    @mander: good info. about the steel. You made me look it up No sentimentality here. My Surly was not significantly more expensive than the WT. Part of me just likes the color. {shrug**

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    No, I was actually surprised that my bike came with the cog/lockring.

    It says nothing online about the bike coming with a it. In fact...

    "We highly recommend the installation of front and rear brakes (included). If you want to ride fixed-gear, just flip the rear wheel and add your own fixed cog and lockring."

    Heh. Not complaining.

    But the seat is god-awful as are the pedals; possibly the worst I've ever used (not exaggerating). I switched them out. Other than that, the bike is great if a tad heavy. (I think that's due mostly to the wheel/tire combo). But, this bike isn't trying to be a lightweight racer...so, doesn't really matter to me much.
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    "You win some, you lose some. All's you gotta do is win more than you lose and I'd say you're set."
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    Quote Originally Posted by jim-bob View Post
    I'd get a surly cross-check.

    I actually would do this too, in fact it is exactly what I did. End of year sales are going to be rolling around soon so it's a good time to buy. You pay a premium for Surlys during the year but they are a bargain when they go on sale.

    That said the Kilo WT makes a hell of a lot of sense if you must have rear facing dropouts on a winter bike.

    Sorrell: I love my surly too, I forgot to indicate that my comment was directed at the OP.
    Last edited by mander; 10-06-09 at 04:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mander View Post
    I actually would do this too, in fact it is exactly what I did. End of year sales are going to be rolling around soon so it's a good time to buy. You pay a premium for Surlys during the year but they are a bargain when they go on sale.
    Truth. That's how I got my Steamroller.
    If I were building a winter commuter, I would also look at the CrossCheck. I only didn't buy a CC because I got a smokin' deal on a Fuji Touring, which is my poor-weather commuter.

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    crosscheck, early.

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    I'd go with the WT and upgrade a few parts as needed.
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    I own a steamroller and I love it. I'll vouch for them any day.
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    Isn't the Kilo WT's geometry very similar to Surly's LHT? (with the exceptions of the chainstays) I am on the fence about getting this bike in a 56 cm or the Nashbar SS cyclocross bike in 55cm. What are your thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeremyLC View Post
    Just trying to find some answers and good advice here, sweetheart.

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    I looked at all of these and ended up with an All City Nature Boy and dont regret my decision in the slightest

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalhopgood View Post
    Just trying to find some answers and good advice here, sweetheart.
    I was just saving that for the first necro thread I could post it in. That said, I have a Cross Check and love it, but I don't know anything about the Steamroller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeremyLC View Post
    I was just saving that for the first necro thread I could post it in. That said, I have a Cross Check and love it, but I don't know anything about the Steamroller.
    The exact same post was made as an OP in the Commuting forum, and I responded there. There was really no reason to post here, anyway. But fyi, the Kilo WT geometry is a carbon copy of the Steamroller. Anyway, the Steamroller is a poor choice, since it lacks any braze-ons for fenders, racks etc, and only has one set of bottle bosses. It has also gotten very overpriced with a MSRP of $820, which is more than a Wabi Classic.
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    Surly Steamroller just so that you won't have to take the time to peel the mercier and kilo labels off due to embarrassment and shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wut View Post
    Surly Steamroller just so that you won't have to take the time to peel the mercier and kilo labels off due to embarrassment and shame.
    Where did I leave my fly swatter ?
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