What's it worth?
10-16-09, 12:31 PM
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What's it worth?
Have an opportunity to pick up an NOS Fausto Coppi track frame and fork.
What would you pay?
What would you pay?
10-16-09, 12:43 PM
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what kind of steel?
why does a track frame have places for cables to go through the top tube?
why does a track frame have places for cables to go through the top tube?
10-16-09, 12:55 PM
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I'm not digging the cable provisions or the Italian bb, 126 spacing, or the bottle bosses, but if I can get it for a good price I may think ab it.
10-16-09, 12:59 PM
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how certain are you it's authentic and not some weird frame with these decals on it: https://cgi.ebay.com/Fausto-Coppi-Dec...item3356437092
I'm always skeptical of vintage NOS frames...unless there's a legit story as to why they were never touched.
Not that I'm saying that's the case, but it's food for thought.
I'm always skeptical of vintage NOS frames...unless there's a legit story as to why they were never touched.
Not that I'm saying that's the case, but it's food for thought.
10-16-09, 01:02 PM
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I'm fairly certain it's authentic. Owner says he purchased directly from a collector/dealer in Italy. Check out the BB lug:
10-16-09, 01:07 PM
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that looks real. to be safe, see if you can get serial #s & verify them.
hot frame -- I dont get the internal cable routing though. maybe someone else can chime in.
how's the fork?
hot frame -- I dont get the internal cable routing though. maybe someone else can chime in.
how's the fork?
10-16-09, 01:09 PM
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It is real but it is not a track bike, it must be some weird-o special order or something. I would say that it is a time-trial frame but there is no rear derailluer hanger. Odd, that is for sure, it has two water bottle mounts as well
Ask the guys in C&V, they will probably know what the heck it's intended use was....
Ask the guys in C&V, they will probably know what the heck it's intended use was....
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The fork is TIG welded 1" threaded. It's still in bubble wrap.
It has strange geo; squared seat tube/top tube at 54.5 c-c and a 27cm high bottom bracket.
It has strange geo; squared seat tube/top tube at 54.5 c-c and a 27cm high bottom bracket.
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Think that this could just be a standard SS? I wish I knew the HT angle.
10-16-09, 01:32 PM
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Hahha nice, I haven't even bought it yet.
10-16-09, 01:36 PM
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Yeah, rear brake cable and two bottle mounts, plus 126mm spacing - it's a flip flop frame.
TreTubi means only the main triangle is Colubmus Gara and the other tubes are probably plain old hi-ten steel.
This looks nice but it should be cheap.
TreTubi means only the main triangle is Colubmus Gara and the other tubes are probably plain old hi-ten steel.
This looks nice but it should be cheap.
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This is not a track frame. The question is, what kind of frame is it? I would guess that it was originally meant to be a SS frame or possibly a winter trainer for a track racer. At first I was thinking that maybe it was an old road bike frame that someone replaced the dropouts on, but there are no bosses for downtube shifters or anything like that, so I don't think that's the case.
What it's worth kinda depends. This could be a really rare, unique frame. It could be a custom frame. I think you should definitely ask over in C&V, though. BUT, regardless of how rare it is, I probably wouldn't pay more than $600 for it. tops.
EDIT: Just wanna say that I never ceased to be surprised by bikes. Just when I thought I had a thorough understanding of road and track frames, something like this comes along that I can't figure out...that's what's so great about bikes. It's not that hard to build a custom frame, and it's cool when you see one floating around and it makes you wonder exactly who built that frame and for what purpose.
What it's worth kinda depends. This could be a really rare, unique frame. It could be a custom frame. I think you should definitely ask over in C&V, though. BUT, regardless of how rare it is, I probably wouldn't pay more than $600 for it. tops.
EDIT: Just wanna say that I never ceased to be surprised by bikes. Just when I thought I had a thorough understanding of road and track frames, something like this comes along that I can't figure out...that's what's so great about bikes. It's not that hard to build a custom frame, and it's cool when you see one floating around and it makes you wonder exactly who built that frame and for what purpose.
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10-16-09, 02:25 PM
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It's a Coppi and these have been selling for a while. Pretty sure it's a road bike geometry frame and they just omitted some braze-on's and added rear track drop outs to an existing production model, the frames are being made for a particular dealer and not a normal production series. It's not a track bike. I've seen other Italian bike makers do this in small batches. I've only really seen this bike being sold on ebay in europe and he does try to sell many of them for the past year or two, he's sells alot on the British eBay. He want's around $1K and I think that's way too much but then again he's a seller from Europe where the conversion to the US dollar is pretty weak. I would think somewhere between $400 - 600 US for the frameset would be fair.
Personally I think it would make a excellent light town bike but you would need to be careful where you lock it. Remember it's a bit of a Frankenstein that doesn't conform to either track or road camps and maybe a bit hard to resell.
Personally I think it would make a excellent light town bike but you would need to be careful where you lock it. Remember it's a bit of a Frankenstein that doesn't conform to either track or road camps and maybe a bit hard to resell.
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har har, this guy
Anyway, I'm over this. The guy will sell for $425, so if anyone else may be interested I can hook you up.
Anyway, I'm over this. The guy will sell for $425, so if anyone else may be interested I can hook you up.
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If I'm reading right it's a converted road frame? and we're all still asking what it's worth?
EDIT! Oops, the OP listed the price just before I posted, I wouldn't pay $425.00 for a SS frame, true track frame hell yeah! but not a SS frame.
EDIT! Oops, the OP listed the price just before I posted, I wouldn't pay $425.00 for a SS frame, true track frame hell yeah! but not a SS frame.
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TreTubi means only the main triangle is Colubmus Gara and the other tubes are probably plain old hi-ten steel.
This looks nice but it should be cheap.
This looks nice but it should be cheap.
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https://velospace.org/node/22171
In fact, the model name is Citymaster.
Fausto Coppi Single Speed frameset, NOS: the long dropot version of the superlight Columbus SLX-tubed Fausto Coppi road frameset. The lugs are cromed. The rear dropout is very long, so the wheel can be freely positioned, 28 mm tires will easily fit the frame, so it can be used for city single speed riding. The bottom bracket is 26.5 cm high, so even fixed gear cornering is no problem. Columbus butted Gara tubeset is very strong, but still quite light. Comes with silver-brazed steel Coppi fork. Size: seat tube (C-C): 47 cm, top tube (C-C): 50 cm, frame weight: 1880 gr, fork: 540 gr, head tube: 80 mm, BB: Italian, seat tube diameter: 27.2 mm, dropout: 130/100 mm.
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