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Old 10-22-09, 12:48 PM   #1
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Sit too far back

After assembling my new 59cm Surly Steamroller, the frame seems a little too large. I sit too far back on the bike. The saddle cant be adjusted much to help me. I bought new handle bars that are longer but i still feel like im too far back on the bike. Im 5 11 and thought a 59 cm bike would work. Is there a post that could change my sitting position?
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Old 10-22-09, 12:51 PM   #2
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im 5 10 and i think my 56 is a little big for me so a 59 might be to big for you
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Oh bummer dude.

Who sized you for the bike? DId your LBS tell you to get a 59?

If so, take that sheet back and get a 56.
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I think 59 is better suited for someone 6'+. I'm 5'10" and ride a 54 cm comfortably. You could ride a 54-56 cm comfortably, I think. Maybe getting a new frame would be a good investment. It's no fun riding a bike that doesn't fit you, and potentially dangerous.
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You can get a set forward seat post but really the size of your bike shouldn't drastically change your seat tube angle. You likely aren't "too far back", your cockpit is too far forward. You need a shorter stem
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Regardless, the guy should've walked out with a bike that fit in the first place.
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There was a list of riders with their heights and size of bike they rode. Several had a 58 and a few a 59. I ordered on the net and should have followed the instructions for sizing on one of the websites that tell how to size bikes.
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You can get a set forward seat post but really the size of your bike shouldn't drastically change your seat tube angle. You likely aren't "too far back", your cockpit is too far forward. You need a shorter stem
This is exactly what I thought when I read the op. If anything, you may be making things even more uncomfortable by setting the seat too far forward, which I see on many/most bikes. Shorter stem should help. If you're using drops, you might try a riser, flat, or swept-back mustache bar if it would be compatible with the type of riding you do.

If setting the bars back doesn't help, the tt could just be too large for you. It's could be a pain to sell/trade the frame, depending on how you obtained it, but it beats suffering with an ill-fitting bike.
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Regardless, the guy should've walked out with a bike that fit in the first place.
We're not yet entirely sure the bike doesn't fit yet though. Given the initial post that started this thread, I suspect the guy isn't familiar with fitting this type of bike and may still be getting used to the different positioning of a track bike.

All that said, the difference in TT length between a 56 and a 59 is easily compensated for with a shorter stem. The significant difference is going to be that the saddle to bar drop will be less extreme, which isn't always necessarily a bad thing. Depending on how that person likes to position themselves on their bike, they could fit either a 56 OR a 59 really, so I think it's too early to conclude that his bike doesn't fit.
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We're not yet entirely sure the bike doesn't fit yet though. Given the initial post that started this thread, I suspect the guy isn't familiar with fitting this type of bike and may still be getting used to the different positioning of a track bike.

All that said, the difference in TT length between a 56 and a 59 is easily compensated for with a shorter stem. The significant difference is going to be that the saddle to bar drop will be less extreme, which isn't always necessarily a bad thing. Depending on how that person likes to position themselves on their bike, they could fit either a 56 OR a 59 really, so I think it's too early to conclude that his bike doesn't fit.
This is spot-on. People often seem to undersize bikes for no apparent reason. When it comes to getting a good fit and a couple of sizes could work as a starting point, the larger size is sometimes easier to dial in, especially when it comes to getting the bars at the right height. I think a lot of bikes setup with painful saddle to bar drop have more to do with running out of stem adjustment rather than actual preference.
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What size stem would you recommend for him?

It's have to be one of those stubby thomsons or something along those lines. Doesn't the steamroller come with a 90mm?

He'd have to drop to a 60 or 70mm to feel a good difference.
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5'11" I ride a 54cm, not a steamroller though
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The 59 comes with a 110mm stem. Switching to a 80mm stem would make a significant difference while still being well within the range of normal stem sizes
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Old 10-22-09, 02:22 PM   #14
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I'm 6'2" with a 33" inseam and my 59 Steamroller fits like a dream.
OP: what's your inseam? My wife tells me I'm all torso, so the long TT on the Steamroller is perfect for my build.
But yes, the stock stem on the 59 is quite long. You would likely benefit from getting shorter one. Even a 90mm would be a dramatic difference.
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Steamrollers do tend to run long in the top tube as compared to other bikes' geometry.

Like other people have said, a forward post isn't a good option, as that messes with the relationship between your hips and pedals. Use a regular post, slide the seat all the way forward on the rails, and compensate for the reach with a shorter stem and something like a north roads style bar that sweeps back.

It might be something you get used to as you ride it more, too. My steamroller fits correctly, but it felt really strange as compared to my other bikes for the first few hundred miles.
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get fitted on competitivecyclist. 5'11" here, 33" inseam. my ideal frame should have a 58cm seat tube and a 54cm top tube. so i ride a 54cm, but the saddle/bar drop is more than i'd like. well, compromises, until one day i will get a custom frame matching my geo.
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I don't recommend moving the saddle forward to shorten the cockpit, because it will tend to result in discomfort from more weight getting put on your hands. A short stem is a better idea. You should be able to make this bike work ok with a choad stem but you might want to look around for something smaller. It ought to be pretty easy to flip your current frame on craigslist if you can't return it.
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The OP needs to measure and post his cycling inseam as Brian above suggested. No stem change will give him a comfortable ride if he has relatively short femurs and can't get a good horizontal distance between pelvis and bottom bracket even with a zero offset seatpost.
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I am 6' riding a 56 steamroller, fits like a glove.
Steamrollers have longish top tubes.
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Measured my inseam as per instruction on websites ----33 inches
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to big. 5'11 32 inseam here and ride a 55.
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shouldn't it be a geometry issue? The seat position, when adjusted properly, ur knee cap should be directly above the pedal spindle when ur pedals are horizontal.

I ride a 50cm Mercier and it fits me perfectly. Then when I rode my friend's 50cm Cannodale I feel that the reach is sooo long that it's even unconfortable to use the bullhorns. But I don't know the surly's geo OR ur sizing issues. Take it from the guys who are approximately same height as you.
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shouldn't it be a geometry issue? The seat position, when adjusted properly, ur knee cap should be directly above the pedal spindle when ur pedals are horizontal.
Yes, though some people such as myself what the knees a bit further back.

Every bike fit site says the same thing: Step 1 is to adjust the seat height, Step 2 is to adjust the saddle fore-aft position to get the knee position comfortable, Step 3 is to adjust stem and handle bar reach to get the torso length right. If you don't do the steps in order, you're wasting your time.

To the OP: My 56cm Steamroller doesn't fit me because I can't get my seat far enough back. (I'm the same height as you but a 34.75" inseam.) Maybe we could trade? Mine is a 2008 model with hardly any scratches.
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I think to make things easier on myself I will get a smaller frame and write this off as a lesson in bicycle sizing. Andmaic will send PM Thanks for replies
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