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Old 11-28-09, 03:07 AM   #1
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Windsor The Hour or Kilo TT and questions

Hey bikeforums, I posted on here a couple weeks ago about getting a Mercier Kilo TT. My plan was to get the Kilo TT, then buy a new rear cog and lockring because the stock ones are bad and it would only give me one skid patch.

Now over the past few days, I've been looking into the Windsor The Hour more. I think I like the looks of the bike more from the colors to the bars, and I think that the more casual frame geometry would suit me better for just commuting to work and back. Also if I am correct, it looks like The Hour has a 48/15 gear ratio which would give me 5 skid patches. That would work for me.

So I have a couple questions and here they are
  • Do you really think it's worth it for me to pay $50 more for the Kilo TT? Keep in mind that I am not a very serious biker and I would only use it for short (4 mile) commuting purposes.
  • If I were to get The Hour, should I still replace the lockring at least if I plan on skidding?
  • What bike would you recommend and why? I am on a very tight budget and that extra $50 could help pay for a front break and any extra needed parts
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Old 11-28-09, 10:07 AM   #2
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This question has been discussed ad nauseam.

You're asking the wrong questions. You want the Windsor
a) it comes with one brAKE already, that can be swapped to the front with a longer bolt
b) you won't be hitting your toes on the front wheel during your skidz
c) it's 70 dollars cheaper

You should be worried less about skid patches and more about being able to stop. And then you should learn to spin. 48/16 or 15 is not the gear-inches to start on because you're not a very serious biker. You'll need a new cog regardless of the bike you buy. Push around 48/19 for a year and you'll be thanking me.

Or maybe you'll understand this, you can't learn to skid on 48/15.
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Old 11-28-09, 11:44 AM   #3
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The Hour has a 48/15 gear ratio which would give me 5 skid patches. That would work for me.
Highly doubtful. You're going to need a new cog regardless of which bike you buy...both are geared too high for non-serious commuting. Not only will they be difficult to accelerate and pedal up the slightest slope, they would be extremely dangerous to ride brakeless. Forget about skid patches, get a brake, and focus on getting a reasonable gear ratio. Personally, I would start with something closer to 48/18, unless you have some steep hills to climb... then I would maybe go with a 19t cog or even a freewheel. Cogs are cheap...bmx freewheels are even cheaper...buy several and experiment. No one can tell you what gear ratio will work best for you, but I guarantee you its not 48/15.
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This question has been discussed ad nauseam.

You're asking the wrong questions. You want the Windsor
a) it comes with one brAKE already, that can be swapped to the front with a longer bolt
b) you won't be hitting your toes on the front wheel during your skidz
c) it's 70 dollars cheaper

You should be worried less about skid patches and more about being able to stop. And then you should learn to spin. 48/16 or 15 is not the gear-inches to start on because you're not a very serious biker. You'll need a new cog regardless of the bike you buy. Push around 48/19 for a year and you'll be thanking me.
Thanks a lot. And that point makes a lot of sense. I think I'll ask my friend what gear ratio his fixed gear was when I borrowed it for 2 months, but a 48/18 or 19 is sounding pretty good right now. How much should I spend on a quality rear cog and lockring? Because for those two components, I know that I dont wanna go cheap.

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Highly doubtful. You're going to need a new cog regardless of which bike you buy...both are geared too high for non-serious commuting. Not only will they be difficult to accelerate and pedal up the slightest slope, they would be extremely dangerous to ride brakeless. Forget about skid patches, get a brake, and focus on getting a reasonable gear ratio. Personally, I would start with something closer to 48/18, unless you have some steep hills to climb... then I would maybe go with a 19t cog or even a freewheel. Cogs are cheap...bmx freewheels are even cheaper...buy several and experiment. No one can tell you what gear ratio will work best for you, but I guarantee you its not 48/15.
I dont plan on riding breakless, in my first post I mentioned getting a break. Thanks a lot for the help though. I think a 48/18 would work well because I have some hills around me but non of them are too steep.
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Can you stop for a second and look at how everyone else spells it? It's a BRAKE. BRAKE BRAKE BRAKE.

Anyway go for any ~$20 cog and equivalent lockring. They're all pretty much the same.
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17t to 15t is a huge jump, believe me.
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Can you stop for a second and look at how everyone else spells it? It's a BRAKE. BRAKE BRAKE BRAKE.

Anyway go for any ~$20 cog and equivalent lockring. They're all pretty much the same.
Haha. My bad. Usually I catch all of my spelling mistakes.
Thanks for the info though $20 seems like a good price
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Also one more thing, If I'm going to get The Hour, I'm torn between the GlossWhite and the MatteBlack. What do you guys prefer?
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It just brakes my heart the way some people spell.
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I'd pick gloss white.
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I'd pick gloss white.
I hate you. I'd go matte black.
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Hahahaha!
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To further complicate matters, can I mention that my Windsor came with a 46T ring? It's the 2010 model.
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i've owned both and the kilo tt is imo the better bike. it's got a lighter frame and handling feels more responsive.
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Hahahaha!
No I'm being serious though. White frames are pretty difficult to do correctly atmo, and when they aren't done right it's really bothersome. Everything black is a nice silhouette, and the windsor's white frame/black component collabo just doesn't do it for me. However, I will admit that a white frame done well can be absolutely mind blowing.
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I was laughing at the whole "I hate you" thing. I can see where you're coming from. I (here's where my pesky opinion comes sneaking in again) just don't have a fondness for matte finishes and if my choices were matte black or gloss white, I would personally go with white. I do like white with silver components much better than white with black though.
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I was laughing at the whole "I hate you" thing. I can see where you're coming from. I (here's where my pesky opinion comes sneaking in again) just don't have a fondness for matte finishes and if my choices were matte black or gloss white, I would personally go with white. I do like white with silver components much better than white with black though.
That's really the only reason I'm hesitating on the black. If it was gloss black, I'd get it for sure, but I'm not too sure about the matte black. Has anyone seen the matte black in real life? because it seems like pictures don't represent it too well.
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Does anyone else find Kinesis Industries to be more than a little dishonest in their branding? I don't care for the fact that they trademark in the US under such names as Motobecane, Dawes, Mercier, ect. and basically profit off the name of long standing reputible bike companies knowing full well people will buy them thinking they are getting a real Motobecane or a real Dawes when in fact they are getting a cheap bike from Taiwan.

This is all simply my opinion and i don't blame anyone for buying these bikes btw.
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Does anyone else find Kinesis Industries to be more than a little dishonest in their branding? I don't care for the fact that they trademark in the US under such names as Motobecane, Dawes, Mercier, ect. and basically profit off the name of long standing reputible bike companies knowing full well people will buy them thinking they are getting a real Motobecane or a real Dawes when in fact they are getting a cheap bike from Taiwan.

This is all simply my opinion and i don't blame anyone for buying these bikes btw.
I don't think you have your facts straight, sir.
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I'm torn between the GlossWhite and the MatteBlack. What do you guys prefer?
These two sentences sum up 99% of the threads in this forum.

Do you not have sense, insight, or just plain balls enough to choose a color for your bicycle?

The answer is: Our preference does not matter. We won't ride it every day. We won't ever even see it. So, WTF does it matter what color we think is best for YOUR bike.

I'm not trying to come down on you on purpose. But, grow a pair and choose your own bike color. You never know, it could lead to you taking charge in other parts of your life as well.
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...people will buy them thinking they are getting a real Motobecane or a real Dawes when in fact they are getting a cheap bike from Taiwan.
FWIW: Dawes UK (the "real" Dawes) has their frames made in the same factory in Taiwan as BikeDirect does.
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FWIW: Dawes UK (the "real" Dawes) has their frames made in the same factory in Taiwan as BikeDirect does.
Yeah, if they don't want a "cheap" bike, they should buy a Cervelo...
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I'm just going by what I read on Wikipedia. If I'm wrong I'm more than willing to accept correction.
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FWIW: Dawes UK (the "real" Dawes) has their frames made in the same factory in Taiwan as BikeDirect does.
If I drive a Chevy that has a Mitsubishi engine in it it doesn't mean it's a Mitsubishi. And where Dawes UK gets their frames from is not the crux of my point. My main point is they trademarked brand names in the US in order to sell bikes using the names of other companies.

IMHO opinion it's like selling knock off handbags in Manhattan.
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If I drive a Chevy that has a Mitsubishi engine in it it doesn't mean it's a Mitsubishi. And where Dawes UK gets their frames from is not the crux of my point. My main point is they trademarked brand names in the US in order to sell bikes using the names of other companies.

IMHO opinion it's like selling knock off handbags in Manhattan.
Then your opinion is somewhat incorrect. They own the brand names, they're allowed to use them as they wish. The guys selling knockoff bags have no right to sell them, nor do the manufacturers have the right to make them.

So if Dawes UK now has their frames made in Tawain, and Dawes USA has their frames made in Taiwan, what is the difference?
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