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    Sugino 75s vs. Alien cranks-

    Interested in going to some 144 bcds (currenty 130 bcd road crank) and have looked at several brands like Soma, Alien, and Sugino.

    How do the Alien cranks compare with the more expensive brands mentioned?

    Also, why to the 75's cost so much??
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    aliens (along with IRO'S) are rebranded andel's.

    75's are expensive because they're quality, andel's are really good for the price though, better than sugino rd's and stuff. also they look good imo.

    keep an eye out for 75's on ebay, I got my set for 120.

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    ^^ r:RIDE l:HARD

    EDIT: oops that was regarding adriano's post.

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    What about these All-City cranksets? Are these made my Andel/Alien too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tall&lanky View Post
    aliens (along with IRO'S) are rebranded andel's.

    75's are expensive because they're quality, andel's are really good for the price though, better than sugino rd's and stuff. also they look good imo.

    keep an eye out for 75's on ebay, I got my set for 120.
    My Wabi has Andel cranks, and outside of this forum, no one seems to have heard of them. I agree that they look good, and have no complaints as far as performance.

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    I like the Soma Hellyer and the 75's, I've got both, the 75's have clean lines, and the Hellyer has got a sexy Chainring; it's also couple hundred cheaper...
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    You can a brand new set of 75's with chainring for $254 shipped on bikeisland...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbro View Post
    You can a brand new set of 75's with chainring for $254 shipped on bikeisland...
    Don't bother.

    75s are an anachronism like all other NJS parts..overpriced and obsolete. If you want real track cranks, get the SRAM Omniums on the same website. They are lighter, stiffer, cheaper and designed around newer technologies.

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    75's look better though

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    I disagree with that i think the omniums look better than the 75s

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    Sugino 75's are hardly obsolete.

    I couldn't get Omniums to fit on my keirin frame without chainstay interference.

    Krio, you should reassess after you've held both sets in your hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mihlbach View Post
    Don't bother.

    75s are an anachronism like all other NJS parts..overpriced and obsolete. If you want real track cranks, get the SRAM Omniums on the same website. They are lighter, stiffer, cheaper and designed around newer technologies.
    I get tired of hearing this.
    While NJS alone should never be used as a sign of quality. The 75's are still an excellent crank, as are many NJS parts.
    I will agree that most parts with the stamp are over priced as of late, but it doesn't mean they suck.
    The parts still work just fine, and for the right price are totally worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beeftech View Post
    I get tired of hearing this.
    While NJS alone should never be used as a sign of quality. The 75's are still an excellent crank, as are many NJS parts.
    I will agree that most parts with the stamp are over priced as of late, but it doesn't mean they suck.
    The parts still work just fine, and for the right price are totally worth it.
    Would you rather hear the truth, or more nonsense deifying NJS?
    Sugino 75 cranks are very nice cranks. However, they are fundamentally a basic aluminum square taper crankset. They are not nearly worth what they cost, and given the NJS imposed design constraints (namely the square taper BB), will never be the stiffest or lightest. You can find, better, lighter, stiffer cranks for WAY WAY less money. I own a pair of 75s and like them but given the alternatives available now, would never buy another pair unless the price can down dramatically.

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    I think the Alien cranks look cheap and hoaky.



    I do think the 75's are some of the best looking cranks out there. I have not owned a set so I can not comment on performance. I have however owned a set of Ominum's are must say, ther were horrible on the street. They did amazing for a few months. The bearings started to develop slop and play after only 3 months. They were amazing for the first 2 months but they are not designed to withstand the rigors of riding fixed on the street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deshi View Post
    I think the Alien cranks look cheap and hoaky.



    I do think the 75's are some of the best looking cranks out there. I have not owned a set so I can not comment on performance. I have however owned a set of Ominum's are must say, ther were horrible on the street. They did amazing for a few months. The bearings started to develop slop and play after only 3 months. They were amazing for the first 2 months but they are not designed to withstand the rigors of riding fixed on the street.
    Yet, they can handle the rigors of elite track sprinting. What nonsense. Are you sure the BB was installed correctly, because the BB is the same as used on SRAMs road cranks, which hold up fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mihlbach View Post
    Would you rather hear the truth, or more nonsense deifying NJS?
    Sugino 75 cranks are very nice cranks. However, they are fundamentally a basic aluminum square taper crankset. They are not nearly worth what they cost, and given the NJS imposed design constraints (namely the square taper BB), will never be the stiffest or lightest. You can find, better, lighter, stiffer cranks for WAY WAY less money. I own a pair of 75s and like them but given the alternatives available now, would never buy another pair unless the price can down dramatically.
    Thanks for practically repeating what I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mihlbach View Post
    Yet, they can handle the rigors of elite track sprinting. What nonsense. Are you sure the BB was installed correctly, because the BB is the same as used on SRAMs road cranks, which hold up fine.
    Yes I am sure they were installed correctly. You forgot to think about the amount of stress back pedaling puts on a crank and BB so saying their road cranks hold up fine doesnt matter. A road crank doesnt see the same forces in the same areas. It is also done on the track I know but when riding on the street it is done alot more. Think of it as one day on the street is like a season of racing on the track. You equipment gets alot more use on the street. Things tend to wear out when used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mihlbach View Post
    Yet, they can handle the rigors of elite track sprinting. What nonsense. Are you sure the BB was installed correctly, because the BB is the same as used on SRAMs road cranks, which hold up fine.
    does the stress placed by track sprinting on a banked slope equal or surpass that of riding over uneven and possibly hazardous street terrain? Honest question, not trying to make a point.
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    i vote for those 130bcd road cranks.

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    I don't know the answer to your question, exactly, and no one would without some very technical research. However, bumps and potholes are not really what matters to the BB as much as how clean the bearings are kept and the amount and extent of riding. The direction of torque/force/rotation/whatever makes no difference to the BB. I have used SRAM cranks w/ GXP external bearing bottom brackets and in my experience they are quite robust. Track sprinters exert extreme amounts of force on their BBs. Also consider that tracks are not always very smooth, particularly at speed. Kissena is rougher than many roads I ride my track bike on.

    I have never used Omnium, so I can't write specifically about their quality, however, the argument that they are fine for pros but too weak for fixie hipsters is nonsense. I think its hillarious when average fixie hipsters think they are so badass they need stronger and higher quality parts than professionals.

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