Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Singlespeed & Fixed Gear
Reload this Page >

Threadless to threaded

Search
Notices
Singlespeed & Fixed Gear "I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five. Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailer? We are getting soft...As for me, give me a fixed gear!"-- Henri Desgrange (31 January 1865 - 16 August 1940)

Threadless to threaded

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-16-09, 04:06 AM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
spaceboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 69
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Threadless to threaded

I want to get a Kilo TT from BD and change it to have a threaded headset. Would this be a relatively easy and inexpensive process?
spaceboy is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 04:42 AM
  #2  
Senior Member
 
daft crunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: seattle
Posts: 150

Bikes: alien track bike, cannondale t400 tourer

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
You'll need a new fork and headset.
daft crunk is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 04:52 AM
  #3  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
spaceboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 69
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanks for the reply. A new headset shouldn't be a problem but I am concerned about the fork. Would it be possible to just get the fork threaded?

Last edited by spaceboy; 12-16-09 at 01:55 PM.
spaceboy is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 05:16 AM
  #4  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Davis/Lafayette, CA
Posts: 2,014

Bikes: too many

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
kilott forks are 1 inch. should be able to get it cut and threaded by any decent shop, probably around 20 bucks.
LupinIII is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 05:43 AM
  #5  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
spaceboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 69
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
That's awesome to hear. It was definitely my preference to keep the fork.
spaceboy is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 09:26 AM
  #6  
Yo!
Senior Member
 
Yo!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 1,047

Bikes: Panasonic NJS Keirin x2, Level Professional, Bianchi CUSS, GT Pulse

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
You will need a new 1" threaded headset though; I recommend choosing your new headset before you thread the fork so you know your exact steerer length with headset stack and headtube height calculated in. Also remember that fork crown races and headtubes are measured at either 27.0mm (JIS) or 26.4 (ISO), so make sure you put a caliper on there to be sure, unless of course someone can chime in and provide that info.
Yo! is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 12:43 PM
  #7  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: PHL
Posts: 536

Bikes: De Rosa Planet, Shogun Kaze, Jamis Sputnik, Redline 925

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
i asked this questions a million times when i was building up my bike over the summer. everyone told me that threading a fork was dangerous and/or hard. i went to a few shops, and they weren't willing to do it. it requires this special park tool, skill, and weakening of your fork. if you can really find a shop that's willing to do it, i guess go for it. but it'd probably cost the same amount to sell your fork on craigslist and buy a new threaded kilo tt fork.

go to bikeisland.com and get a threaded kilo tt fork. i got a nashbar carbon fork. it worked out. threaded kilo fork is like $50, nashbar carbon $80.
Nuggetross is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 01:11 PM
  #8  
Yo!
Senior Member
 
Yo!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 1,047

Bikes: Panasonic NJS Keirin x2, Level Professional, Bianchi CUSS, GT Pulse

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
I don't have the park tool to thread a fork, but I've seen the guys at Transit Cycles here in Dallas do it often, usually in less than 15 minutes. No big deal if you have an adequate steerer length and the correct tools.
Yo! is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 01:57 PM
  #9  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
spaceboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 69
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Can you tell me more about the fork weakening? I don't want to do something to my bike that makes it more dangerous.
spaceboy is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 02:09 PM
  #10  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 513
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by spaceboy
Can you tell me more about the fork weakening? I don't want to do something to my bike that makes it more dangerous.
Threading a threadless fork sometimes make the steerer tube walls thinner, which might or might not make it brittle.
tgscordv6 is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 02:13 PM
  #11  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: PHL
Posts: 536

Bikes: De Rosa Planet, Shogun Kaze, Jamis Sputnik, Redline 925

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
i don't really know the details of fork weakening. but again, when i asked this question over the summer, people said that even minute shaving of the fork steerer is not a good idea. they argue that threadless steerer tubes weren't meant to be cut into (even though threading is really not very deep). to your defense, there really shouldn't be much stress directly on the steerer tube. i was still willing to cut into my threadless steerer tube like you, except there were no shops that i could find that would do it. but if you're mr. pothole/mr. trickster, i would advise against it.
Nuggetross is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 02:14 PM
  #12  
Senior Member
 
bigvegan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 658
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
"Can you tell me more about the fork weakening? I don't want to do something to my bike that makes it more dangerous."

Threaded forks are thicker than threadless forks so that when metal is removed to make the threads, the fork is still adequately strong.

If you start with a thinner threadless fork, and then remove metal, you compromise the strength of the fork.

It's a pretty silly move when you can buy a new threaded fork online for less than $100, and keep your threadless fork as a backup.
bigvegan is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 02:41 PM
  #13  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
spaceboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 69
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by bigvegan
"Can you tell me more about the fork weakening? I don't want to do something to my bike that makes it more dangerous."

Threaded forks are thicker than threadless forks so that when metal is removed to make the threads, the fork is still adequately strong.

If you start with a thinner threadless fork, and then remove metal, you compromise the strength of the fork.

It's a pretty silly move when you can buy a new threaded fork online for less than $100, and keep your threadless fork as a backup.
Thanks for the info. Would the threaded Kilo TT forks on bikeisland just be as thick as the threadless?

Few more questions:

Which sites should I check out?
What length steer tube should I get for a 50/53cm Kilo TT?
Will all the forks keep the top tube of the bike parallel to the ground or will some give it a slant?
spaceboy is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 02:42 PM
  #14  
Senior Member
 
Brian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Between the mountains and the lake.
Posts: 16,681

Bikes: 8 bikes - one for each day of the week!

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Hmm. For $50, you get to keep all your teeth.
Brian is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 02:44 PM
  #15  
Retro-Direct Fan
 
TwoShort's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Boulder, Colorado
Posts: 159
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by bigvegan
It's a pretty silly move when you can buy a new threaded fork online for less than $100, and keep your threadless fork as a backup.
Or stay threadless, keeping your fork & headset.

Mind you, I'm generally opposed to the BF tradition of answering every "How do I...?" with "Why would you want to...?" as I myself like to do all sorts of things to bikes without any need (or even ability) to justify them to others. But, just out of curiosity... Why would you want to?
TwoShort is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 02:50 PM
  #16  
Yo!
Senior Member
 
Yo!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 1,047

Bikes: Panasonic NJS Keirin x2, Level Professional, Bianchi CUSS, GT Pulse

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Quill stems are attractive, didn't you hear?
Yo! is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 03:30 PM
  #17  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
spaceboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 69
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by TwoShort
Or stay threadless, keeping your fork & headset.

Mind you, I'm generally opposed to the BF tradition of answering every "How do I...?" with "Why would you want to...?" as I myself like to do all sorts of things to bikes without any need (or even ability) to justify them to others. But, just out of curiosity... Why would you want to?
Yeah it's just for aesthetics. I really don't like how the threadless stems look.
spaceboy is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 04:30 PM
  #18  
Senior Member
 
Retro Grouch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: St Peters, Missouri
Posts: 30,225

Bikes: Catrike 559 I own some others but they don't get ridden very much.

Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1572 Post(s)
Liked 643 Times in 364 Posts
Originally Posted by LupinIII
kilott forks are 1 inch. should be able to get it cut and threaded by any decent shop, probably around 20 bucks.
1. So what's the fork inside diameter? If it's anything other than 22.2 mm it's a non-starter because the stem won't fit.

2. I own a tap for a 1" threaded fork so I have a little experience to speak from. It's good for cleaning up threads and MAYBE adding a cew threads. I wouldn't even consider starting to thread a fork from new. I'm also thinking that anybody who would quote a price of $20.00 has probably never done it.
Retro Grouch is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 06:04 PM
  #19  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
spaceboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 69
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanks for all the help guys.

Here's the info for the threaded fork:
https://bikeisland.com/cgi-bin/BKTK_S...ls&ProdID=1348

Would this be any different from the unthreaded one? And would the 165mm fit on a 50/53?
spaceboy is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 06:33 PM
  #20  
Senior Member
 
bigvegan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 658
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
"Would this be any different from the unthreaded one?"

It's probably thicker. Also, it has threads.

"And would the 165mm fit on a 50/53?"

You know who would know? info@bikeisland.com (They're owned by the same folks as bikesdirect.com, so this should be an easy one.)

Threaded stems ARE much nicer aesthetically than threadless.
bigvegan is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 06:56 PM
  #21  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
spaceboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 69
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Yay for aesthetics! Thanks BV.
spaceboy is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 08:33 PM
  #22  
cab horn
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Toronto
Posts: 28,353

Bikes: 1987 Bianchi Campione

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 42 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 26 Times in 19 Posts
So the OP wants to spend money to get something that is less stiff, heavier and slower.

Lol.
operator is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 09:22 PM
  #23  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
spaceboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 69
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I know, I know, it's not the most pragmatic thing but... well I don't really have a good reason besides "I like it like that". But isn't liking your bike what it's all about?
spaceboy is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 10:37 PM
  #24  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: PHL
Posts: 536

Bikes: De Rosa Planet, Shogun Kaze, Jamis Sputnik, Redline 925

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by operator
So the OP wants to spend money to get something that is less stiff, heavier and slower.

Lol.
oh shush. this isn't weightweenies. quill stems look really nice. sure, they're obsolete. slower though? are you whipping around your handlebars all the time?
Nuggetross is offline  
Old 12-16-09, 10:50 PM
  #25  
thread derailleur
 
erichsia's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: beyond Thunderdome
Posts: 1,095

Bikes: 82 Bianchi ECO Pista, Pake, Kilo TT, some *** bmx i found underneath an old house

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by operator
So the OP wants to spend money to get something that they find more pleasing for perfectly human reasons.
ftfy.
erichsia is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.