Top Tube Dent Repair
a few months ago i fell off my bike and my bull horns gave the top tube a 1 - 2 punch. so now both sides of the top tube has a dent.... then i remembered there was a way to fix pipes with the freeze method. where you fill the pipe up with water and cap off the ends. i dont have a giant freezer so i waited till temps outside reached below freezing and now was the perfect time. last night i stripped everything off my frame and gave it a shot. surprisingly, it did work. it didnt push it out completely yet, but it takes a few times to full push out the dent. this will be the 3rd time im freezing it.
if anyone wants to try this be careful! dont just fill it with water and leave it for a long period of time. it will bust the tube. only freeze it for a few hours at a time. let the ice melt so it has another starting point to expand. ill post pictures when im finished. |
Originally Posted by RigHty
(Post 10205326)
a few months ago i fell off my bike and my bull horns gave the top tube a 1 - 2 punch. so now both sides of the top tube has a dent.... then i remembered there was a way to fix pipes with the freeze method. where you fill the pipe up with water and cap off the ends. i dont have a giant freezer so i waited till temps outside reached below freezing and now was the perfect time. last night i stripped everything off my frame and gave it a shot. surprisingly, it did work. it didnt push it out completely yet, but it takes a few times to full push out the dent. this will be the 3rd time im freezing it.
if anyone wants to try this be careful! dont just fill it with water and leave it for a long period of time. it will bust the tube. only freeze it for a few hours at a time. let the ice melt so it has another starting point to expand. ill post pictures when im finished. Sounds like a recipe for disaster. Why not spend a little $$$ and have it done professionally. The amount of force that freezing water can produce is more than enough to compromise <1mm tubing. If it is lugged, you can have a tube replaced for a pretty decent price. |
Will this work on aluminum frames too?
Just kidding. This is an interesting approach. I'd like to formally request before, during, and after pictures. |
Yea seems a little risky, but hell, I priced out a tube replacement on one of my bikes and it was around $100. Furthermore, they couldn't match the rest of my Ishiwata 019 tubeset, AND, it required a repaint.
If it's not a terribly expensive frame, this sounds like a good plan. How do you keep the water isolated in that one tube? What are you using to plug them up with? |
Originally Posted by HandsomeRyan
(Post 10205416)
Will this work on aluminum frames too?
Just kidding. This is an interesting approach. I'd like to formally request before, during, and after pictures.
Originally Posted by ianjk
(Post 10205369)
Sounds like a recipe for disaster.
Why not spend a little $$$ and have it done professionally. The amount of force that freezing water can produce is more than enough to compromise <1mm tubing. If it is lugged, you can have a tube replaced for a pretty decent price. |
Originally Posted by Yo!
(Post 10205595)
Yea seems a little risky, but hell, I priced out a tube replacement on one of my bikes and it was around $100. Furthermore, they couldn't match the rest of my Ishiwata 019 tubeset, AND, it required a repaint.
If it's not a terribly expensive frame, this sounds like a good plan. How do you keep the water isolated in that one tube? What are you using to plug them up with? |
Well the sputnik is SST steel... I guess it is worth a try after all if your frame cracks due to the pressure created by the expansion of water freezing you might as well have it repaired while you're replacing the top tube. :rolleyes:
I wouldn't try this method with aluminum though as aluminium cracks easilier... well aside if it was a leader as those are dirt cheap and expandable. :D:D:D:D |
Why not just beat the rest of the frame with a hammer and make it a theme bike.
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Originally Posted by Germanicus
(Post 10207238)
Why not just beat the rest of the frame with a hammer and make it a theme bike.
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here are some before and after pics. its only been frozen 1 time. since the weather got warm again, i dont know when i can freeze it again...
the before pics didnt come out so well, but still gives a idea of the size. http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m..._1600x1063.jpg before http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m..._1600x1063.jpg after http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m..._1600x1063.jpg before http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m..._1600x1063.jpg after |
Wow, thought it was going to be much worse than that. You could have had that taken care professionally of for well under $40.
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It's good to learn stuff by experimenting and doing it yourself.
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Impressive! :twitchy:
I demand pics after your second freezing! :D |
Originally Posted by Scrodzilla
(Post 10211464)
It's good to learn stuff by experimenting and doing it yourself.
Originally Posted by happypills
(Post 10211483)
Impressive! :twitchy:
I demand pics after your second freezing! :D ill try and find someone who will let me use their freezer. lol im already happy that it worked. i hope the 2nd freeze will make it hardly noticeable. |
Originally Posted by Scrodzilla
(Post 10211464)
It's good to learn stuff by experimenting and doing it yourself.
I don't see how doing the same thing to a bike can be a good idea. |
well water will freeze, expand, and put pressure on the area that gives easiest. the dent will puch out far easier than the tube will burst. So as he said, as long as he is careful not to let it freeze for too long, he should be fine.
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You got a pic of how you're keeping the ends of the tube plugged?
I don't understand how your plug method is able to contain the freezing water and not give out before it expands in the tube. |
did you even read my post? did you not read how im doing this? pipes burst because its frozen for a LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
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just patch the hole like a tube. the patch can expand a little. i dont have a picture of it. unfortunately, i already took the patch off. i only patch the head tube end. then hang it by the track ends. as long as you have enough water in the tube so it is past the dent. it will expand enough to push it out.
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Don't forget to post pics of the tube patches too after the next freeze too ;)
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Originally Posted by happypills
(Post 10212049)
Don't forget to post pics of the tube patches too after the next freeze too ;)
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Did some more research, some people swear by this method for dented headers on motorcycles, others ripped them wide open...
Seems hit-or miss, just really, really, really go over your top tube after this is done, catastrophic failure sucks. |
I gotta admit, when I first read this thread I was expecting a catastrophe but after seeing the pics I'm thoroughly impressed. I don't think I'd do this myself, but I have to give you props for doing it. Thanks for the pics BTW.
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A small dent like that won't weaken the tube enough to be a concern. Actually, pushing the dent out will weaken it, again,
not much of a concern. Just do what car guys do. Fill in the hole with a dab of bondo, sand it down, paint it. |
Originally Posted by late
(Post 10212527)
A small dent like that won't weaken the tube enough to be a concern. Actually, pushing the dent out will weaken it, again,
not much of a concern. Just do what car guys do. Fill in the hole with a dab of bondo, sand it down, paint it. |
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