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Old 01-03-10, 12:14 AM   #1
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A Brand Yet To Be Mentioned

Hey guys!

I've been browsing around, not for any reason in particular, for a fixie/ss.
The almighty search engine brought me to this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/49cm-FIXED-GEAR-...ht_9693wt_1575

http://www.savingextra.com/images/tomcat/tomcatbk30.jpg

http://www.savingextra.com/images/to...mcatblue30.jpg

http://www.savingextra.com/images/tomcat/tomcatwh60.jpg

Apparently the brand is TOMCAT and the bike is..ToTo?
I've never heard of most of the components on this and I've yet to see any reviews at all.
The manufacturer's website claims that TOMCAT is relatively new.

I don't plan on buying the bikes from them, seeing as that the components are unheard of.

I'd like to know your take on this.

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Old 01-03-10, 02:40 AM   #2
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The crank reminds me of the Mavic Starfish crank,thats all.
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The crank reminds me of the Mavic Starfish crank,thats all.
I agree! I wonder if it would make a good gift.
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Hm. Looks kind of like this beast, except the fork looks nicer.
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I don't plan on buying the bikes from them, seeing as that the components are unheard of.
You're probably not familiar with most of the components supplied with my Wabi Classic either, but that alone is not a reason to avoid them. In the case of the Wabi, everything is sealed, and high quality. My bike weighs over three pounds less than the Tomcat.

A lot of people don't realize that in many cases, an OEM supplier may make parts for several different brands, sometimes to the same spec, with only the logo being different. Not sure if that's the case with the ToTo, but my point is that just because you've never heard of the brand, it's not automatically inferior.

With sealed hubs and aero rims included, the Tomcat might give BD a little competition.
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I was looking at that bike too but you've got it backwards. The the company is Toto and the bike is the Tomcat. If you look closely you can see their website www.totocycling.com on the chainstay
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Just wondering if anyone has any other info on these particular bikes.
I hate using my road bike for running errands and was looking at a cheap single speed to boot around town with.

This bike seems comparable to BD and they actually ship to Canada, so any info is appreciated.
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what he said, and you can't beat it for what? $300.00 shipped!
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Just ordered a 49cm in white for my wife. Like everybody else said $300 bucks is peanuts, and what's not any good I can throw away. But in looking, I don't expect to have to. Yeah Bike has been making folding bikes for a while, and they are a hard bike to engineer, (which is one reason why you don't see too many brands of them). The rims are a medium deep V which you have to work at screwing up, (they're inherently a strong design). And ANY bike bought from anything other than a top-of-the-line shop you should expect to start out by DISassemblying to grease and adjust.

As to the other question of "unheard of components", well ...... I go back to 1972 in both cycling and the cycling business. I walked away from the business/shop ownership/coaching/USCF officiating end of it in 1986, and just rode my own bike and ordered from Performance and Nashbar for a good decade without ever setting foot into a shop. When I finally started to come around, ALL YOU PEOPLE were riding crap I'd never heard of!!

Bike just shipped today and should be here in a week. I'll let you know how it goes when I build it.
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As to the other question of "unheard of components", well ...... I go back to 1972 in both cycling and the cycling business. I walked away from the business/shop ownership/coaching/USCF officiating end of it in 1986, and just rode my own bike and ordered from Performance and Nashbar for a good decade without ever setting foot into a shop. When I finally started to come around, ALL YOU PEOPLE were riding crap I'd never heard of!!
I read about someone with a similar history, but he was the one that started Performance.
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I am interested to know the verdict.
I have been looking for a new bike for some time now, but with school and rent payments I cant afford any at my LBS. The cheapest single speed they have is a Giant Bowery Mashup for $600. It didnt tickle my fancy though.
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I read about someone with a similar history, but he was the one that started Performance.
You're right. That would be Gary Snook, not me! He started Performance about the time I sold my last shop. They were an "also ran" compared to Nashbar until some time in the early nineties when they finally started to gain traction with the mail order crowd. By that time, of course, the `net had come along, and catapulted both their and Nashbar's business out of the "mail order to the truly dedicated bike geek" category, and turned them both into everybody's wholesale (almost) parts house.
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Yes, I saw that too. On the face of it, the package looks like a better deal than comparable BD offerings. However, money is money, and even $300 is not chump change to me. Suppose the frame is out alignment and I want to return it for a replacement? I'd be more confident dealing with BD than some unknown online source.
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You're right. That would be Gary Snook, not me! He started Performance about the time I sold my last shop. They were an "also ran" compared to Nashbar until some time in the early nineties when they finally started to gain traction with the mail order crowd. By that time, of course, the `net had come along, and catapulted both their and Nashbar's business out of the "mail order to the truly dedicated bike geek" category, and turned them both into everybody's wholesale (almost) parts house.
Actually, I was referring to Richard. That's who I bought my Wabi from.
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Actually, I was referring to Richard. That's who I bought my Wabi from.
Oh, the other brother who left in a huff on a Huffy and as a hobby started Wabi! (Not really, but cute, huh?)
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i was also looking at these, i wish it had complete listing of the geo. kinda a lax looking frame
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i was also looking at these, i wish it had complete listing of the geo. kinda a lax looking frame
Not a complete list, but below's the link. (Scroll down).
http://www.totocycling.com/bike.html
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Not a complete list, but below's the link. (Scroll down).
http://www.totocycling.com/bike.html
Pretty amateurish geometry chart with a lot of obvious or unimportant info like fork and dropout spacing, and head tube diameter, while omitting critical items such as fork offset, head tube angle and chainstay length. However, one can deduce from the large BB drop and longish top tube that this is definitely not going to be an edgy track frame, which is what I'd expect in a low end CroMo steel street fixie. So, when yours arrives, let us know what you find, since $300 is not insignificant to everyone.

As an aside, I see that not everyone on this forum is a teenage kid. Many such as you, Brian, I and others are definitely very much in the mature category.
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As an aside, I see that not everyone on this forum is a teenage kid. Many such as you, Brian, I and others are definitely very much in the mature category.
I wouldn't go so far as to say mature, but I did get my first bike around 1975.
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Like everybody else said $300 bucks is peanuts, and what's not any good I can throw away.
Uh, if it's junk I'll be happy to take it off your hands. Or the $300.

I just graduated with a BS in Econ and a BA in Philosophy and have been unemployed since the summer... $300 will cover my rent and buy me groceries that will last almost the full month.

And I'll send you a really nice thank you card too.
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Pretty amateurish geometry chart
Yeah, a NOT-so-clever attempt to draw your attention away from that fact.

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..... that this is definitely not going to be an edgy track frame, which is what I'd expect in a low end CroMo steel street fixie.
Exactly, and I don't want a true track frame for my wife's first fixed gear. However, on the 49cm I did note the seat tube angle is 74.5! Hope the didn't run the headtube down to 71 or some such while also trying to make a shorter top tube!

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... since $300 is not insignificant to everyone.
Boy, I regret that comment already. I did NOT mean to belittle anyone's financial position, particularly in these economic times! Hell, my own business is off over 50%. My apologies to all if it came off that way.

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Hey! Watch where you're slinging that "mature" stuff! I'm only "middle aged", (if I live to be 114!) Besides, I've met mature people and:
A. they bore me
B. they don't ride fixies!
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Uh, if it's junk I'll be happy to take it off your hands. Or the $300.

I just graduated with a BS in Econ and a BA in Philosophy and have been unemployed since the summer... $300 will cover my rent and buy me groceries that will last almost the full month.

And I'll send you a really nice thank you card too.
That's harsh. The economy is really bad right now, even in the cycling industry. At Interbike 2008, there were scantily-clad women serving free beer (in a free pint glass) at every turn, and I was making around $2k per month for part time work on a couple of sites. Fast forward to 2009. I saw only a few "models" at the show, and if free beer was served, it was in a plastic cup. That month I also got my last pay check of the year - $200.

In retrospect, it was probably not such a bad thing that I pissed away the money from my side jobs. Had I come to rely on that for anything other than frivolous spending on toys and sushi, I'd be in big trouble right now.
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OK all. Got it! Delivery was FedEx ground, but it got here from the west coast in 5 days. Came in a decent bike box .. good heavy cardboard, not the flimsy crap you see some bikes show up in. Naturally, the plastic axle caps had come off and both rear and one front axle end were poking thru, but that's fairly normal, and no damage.

Got it in the stand and started looking it over. Wheels both slightly out of true, (expected). Found one tiny pinhole in the welding/paint where the left seat stay joins the seat tube. Told my wife to pick up some white fingernail polish to seal it immediately. Welds are generally good with an occasional small abberation that a man on horseback would never notice.

The seat tube had a MAJOR burr inside about an inch down from the top, (fortunately)! The seat post wouldn't even begin to go in, but about 10 minutes with a rattail file cleaned it up nicely, so no major trauma.

Wheels: Hubs are sealed bearing and felt good. As is the case with most cheap rims, you can see the seam. I don't mean you can see where the seam has been filled and smothed over, I mean you can SEE the seam! The wheels on my cheap fixie are the same and in the year I've had it, they have held up OK. So I'm hopeful enough to give `em a shot.

BB: Sealed and smooth.

Headset: To be dismantled and checked tomorrow. Felt good enough to play with the bike a little tonight, though.

Pedals are cheap Wellgo bottom-of-line junk, naturally. As are the clips and straps.

Of interest, (which is to say not wrong, just not that common), is the seat tube slot is in the front of the tube rather than the back, so the clamp has to be facing forward as well. Also of interest is that it came with both the ss freewheel AND the fixed cog and lockring. Wasn't expecting that.

Thus far, I'm quite pleased with the bike! Haven't taken any measurements yet, and I also want to check frame alignment and chainline. Will do that tomorrow. But the wifey wanted me to bolt it together for now so she could take it down the street before it rained, so I did!

I'll get measurements and pic tomorrow.
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Of interest, (which is to say not wrong, just not that common), is the seat tube slot is in the front of the tube rather than the back, so the clamp has to be facing forward as well.
That's a very serious design flaw. When you ride in crappy weather, you won't have a bunch of grit and grime thrown up into the clamp. Return it immediately.
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