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    remember this bike? (Bilenky)



    the guy who runs hetchins.org totally REAMED it. i mean damn, it was a "tribute" not a replica.

    http://www.hetchins.org/bogus-05.htm

    "If Bilenky meant this as a tribute to Hetchins, it falls short of the marque. They have juxtaposed unrelated elements and the result is a farrago which Hetchins would never have produced, certainly not together on one frame. The design is further marred by inaccuracies and errors of detail."
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    I'd hit that, incoherent or no.

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    you should read CWMD (the owner of that bike) reaction to that review:
    http://cyclingwmd.blogspot.com/2009/...persue-us.html

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    "...On a genuine Hellenic-stayed bike, the seat stays (whether curved or straight) run parallel to the down tube; not on the Bilenky frame. ... Secondly, unless there is some distortion of the jpeg involved, the top tube also appears to be bowed downwards on the Bilenky frame. ...Thirdly, look closely at the top foto and note the rear tire clearance. You could fit four fingers into that gap. Why would anybody incorporate a curved seat tube, and then set the bike up with such a long wheelbase? The point of the curved seat tube is to get a short wheelbase by moving the rear wheel closer to the bottom bracket shell than would be possible with a straight seat tube. The result in this case is amateurish: superfluous curvature in defiance of design concept...."



    DAMN.


    Bilenky got served. It was a little harsh, but once you look at the Hetchins bikes compared to the Bilenky, the points are pretty valid.

    I'd go for the Hetchins.

    Or maybe, if I wanted something REAL pretty, I'd go for Columbine Cycle Works - http://www.columbinecycle.com/bicycles.php.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigvegan View Post
    Bilenky got served. It was a little harsh, but once you look at the Hetchins bikes compared to the Bilenky, the points are pretty valid.
    yeah the points were valid... but seriously. there's a difference between "i appreciate the sentiment, but this is how you could have done it better" and "okay, here is why what you just spent a lot of time on is a piece of ****"

    luckily this is just a guy running a fan site and not the maker of Hetchins himself.
    before posting, a "noob" should always ask themselves "could this have been answered by first visiting Sheldon Brown

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    Quote Originally Posted by wearyourtruth View Post
    yeah the points were valid... but seriously. there's a difference between "i appreciate the sentiment, but this is how you could have done it better" and "okay, here is why what you just spent a lot of time on is a piece of ****".
    Are you seriously expecting a cyclist on the internet to behave like a normal and courteous human being, and not like a sociopathic Rain Man?

    You must be new here.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bigvegan View Post
    Are you seriously expecting a cyclist on the internet to behave like a normal and courteous human being, and not like a sociopathic Rain Man?

    You must be new here.



    Only a ******bag would say that
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigvegan View Post
    Bilenky got served. It was a little harsh, but once you look at the Hetchins bikes compared to the Bilenky, the points are pretty valid. I'd go for the Hetchins.
    **** that. what about the word "tribute" do you and the guy that runs that site not understand? None of those critique points are valid because it's not supposed to be a Hetchins bike. It doesn't matter if you put the tribute side-by-side with a Hetchins and can point out all the differences; tribute's are not carbon copies of an original, tribute's show appreciation for something by emulating stylistic elements the subject is known for.
    Last edited by erichsia; 02-04-10 at 10:45 PM. Reason: clarity, grammar

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichsia View Post
    **** that. what about the word "tribute" do you and the guy that runs that site not understand? None of those critique points are valid because it's not supposed to be a Hetchins bike. It doesn't matter if you put the tribute side-by-side with a Hetchins and can point out all the differences; tribute's are not carbon copies of an original, tribute's show appreciation for something by emulating stylistic elements the subject is known for.
    F/u/c/k/i/n WORD
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    Double post
    http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...RVDGNYp-tthdQY How do hotdogs survive in the wild with no eyes or legs??

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigvegan View Post
    "...superfluous curvature in defiance of design concept...."


    Is it not IRONIC that such a statement was made by somebody who collects Hetchins bikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichsia View Post
    tribute's are not carbon copies of an original
    True. Looks like steel to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoundedKnee View Post
    almost positive they are Vittoria Pro Teams... which i don't think are made anymore, but still able to be found with some searching.

    before posting, a "noob" should always ask themselves "could this have been answered by first visiting Sheldon Brown

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    Its just a Bike.

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    I think it is funny that he was harsher on that bike than the forgeries passed off as actual Hechins.
    Quote Originally Posted by Santaria View Post
    because physics has more street cred than tarckstars.

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    Bilenky repaired and repainted my '87 Fuso. They did a great job. Plus, they make these cool cargo bikes that look to be perfect for hauling kegs or pizza around.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian View Post
    True. Looks like steel to me.
    actually tribute's are crabon copies of the original, but that's beside the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by operator View Post
    Only a ******bag would say that
    Well played operator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbattle View Post
    Bilenky repaired and repainted my '87 Fuso. They did a great job. Plus, they make these cool cargo bikes that look to be perfect for hauling kegs or pizza around.

    There's a Pizza Fusion here... I would love that job

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