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Old 02-09-10, 10:20 AM   #1
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Chrome, Nickel, Copper, plated frames for SS/FG

I am trying some plated frames - like nickel plated one below



And of course; we are selling a bunch of Kilo TT in Chrome


And I am trying to get an almost steam-punk cooper look

What would you like to see? Or do you even like plated frames?
Or maybe you prefer lugged with lugs plated and tubes painted


All this costs a bit more - but is it worth it

this nickel plated lugged frame will be about $299
http://www.bikeisland.com/images/nickel.htm
worth it to plate?
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I love that look!

If I were in the market for a frame I think that I'd be all over that. Unfortunately, I'm not.
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definitely worth it. I'd love to see a nice lugged, copper-plated frame.
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That nickel-plated Premium Brew sure looks nice! Copper would be awesome.
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Is there a significant weight difference on the nickel/copper plated frames?
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lets see a copper
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I created an account just so I could comment on this thread.

I love these plated bikes that BikesDirect and BikeIsland have had recently. My only problem is the brake cable holders and water bottle mounts. Given a choice, I'd buy the lugged version in a heartbeat. But those brake cable holders are a dealbreaker.

Is there any chance of getting them without? If so, consider at least one sold.

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Personally, I'm not a big fan of Nickel plating larger objects. If it starts to peel, then all hell will break loose.
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Sure but the same can be said for chrome....
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I like plated lugs, fork ends and stay ends with the rest painted. I do not like all plated or all painted. I think that too much plating spoils it and hides the lugs. Also, it is not advisable to plate around braze-ons like cable stops/guides as it inevitably results in flaws.
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with copper plate, would it not weigh a load more?

looks pretty tasty in nickel though... if i didn't love paint and colour as much as i do, then i'd be all for it

nice
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Plating involves bonding a layer ~.001 to ~.00001* inches thick... weight is not noticeable.



*just a spitball estimate, depends on application, decorative (bike) plating is usually a very thin (think couple layers of atoms thick) layer.

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Is there a significant weight difference on the nickel/copper plated frames?
not really
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Usually the entire frame is chromed and then only a portion of the chrome is polished (the portion to be left exposed). The drive side chainstay on my derosa was left unpainted and I stripped the badly chipped paint on the non-drive side. My friend tried to polish it but it just won’t shine like the drive side. I have a Gibi (smaller Italian builder) who chromed the entire frame and then redipped a portion of it in blue chrome instead of painting any of it. While it looks great, the blue chrome is incredibly soft and even leaning the bike against a wooden chair or something could damage the blue chrome. How do you intend to protect the chrome?
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I created an account just so I could comment on this thread.

I love these plated bikes that BikesDirect and BikeIsland have had recently. My only problem is the brake cable holders and water bottle mounts. Given a choice, I'd buy the lugged version in a heartbeat. But those brake cable holders are a dealbreaker.

Is there any chance of getting them without? If so, consider at least one sold.

Thanks
We are going to start doing some bikes / frames without cable stops and H2O brazeons
but I veiw it this way - having brazeons when you do want them is a one thing: not having brazeonsd when you really need them is another thing altogether

But as a style statement; I understand the naked frame concept - just a matter of having enough demand for them and time to add yet another frame
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lets see a copper
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I'd still like to see you do something like what Volume did with their Cutter:

damn sexy
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Kilo Raw?
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We are going to start doing some bikes / frames without cable stops and H2O brazeons
but I veiw it this way - having brazeons when you do want them is a one thing: not having brazeonsd when you really need them is another thing altogether

But as a style statement; I understand the naked frame concept - just a matter of having enough demand for them and time to add yet another frame
You don't NEED braze-ons. If you want to run a cable housing for a rear brake, and a lot of FG setups don't, you can get some really classy old-school Campy chromed cable housing clamps that actually look better than any braze-on. If you want a water bottle, and I don't, you can get bottle chromed steel cages with clamps. The whole point of a FG or SS is its elegant simplicity, and the less junk you put on it the better. Also, chrome or nickel plating or even painting cable guides/stops and the such is difficult to do.
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What's the weight difference?
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I don't have any problem with water bottle bosses.
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Sure but the same can be said for chrome....
This is true, but I have rarely had chrome start to peel, where as for nickel, I have had more than my fair share of experiences peeling issues.

However, I suppose it's fair to say that the nickel plating should last as long as the chrome plating if not longer (seeing as parts are (generally) copper plated, nickel plated, and then chrome plated).

Being said, I still don't know why one would want a nickel plated finish over chrome. I suppose the faster tarnishing of the nickel plating (and copper plating as well) would be more in favor of steampunk, but it doesn't seem very practical, you might as well go ahead and chrome plate it once you've nickel plated it. Though I gather I'm not the audience for this product.
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Kilo Raw?
they've already got a raw, but it doesn't look like this. this looks like the tubes were polished before welding. or so I've been told.
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if you do a copper-plate run of Kilos I will buy two frames IMMEDIATELY. i will even pre-order them if need be.

please do this!
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You don't NEED braze-ons. If you want to run a cable housing for a rear brake, and a lot of FG setups don't, you can get some really classy old-school Campy chromed cable housing clamps that actually look better than any braze-on. If you want a water bottle, and I don't, you can get bottle chromed steel cages with clamps. The whole point of a FG or SS is its elegant simplicity, and the less junk you put on it the better. Also, chrome or nickel plating or even painting cable guides/stops and the such is difficult to do.
Strongly disagree. People ride bikes for all different reasons and many of us like the ability to run not only a bottle cage but also a trixie multitool as well. It's pretty shallow to say you like a bike less because it has 2 tiny holes brazed onto one of the tubes. Many of us use those holes and appreciate them being there. Remember- these are street bikes not track race bikes.
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