Six jours

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-a-broken-fork

Just for you folks that seem to think an NJS stamp means your bike was handbuilt by God.

LoRoK

Wow thanks!

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That, BTW, is just plain lousy workmanship. It can be argued that it would not have broken had it not been abused, but properly brazed joints simply do not rust. Whoever built it just did not heat the joint adequately and did not get nearly enough filler metal into it.

erichsia

What did Vivalo lose their NJS creds for again? It wasn't for this was it?

elTwitcho

It was a cold february night on bikeforums, and the time was six years ago when this would have been relevant or seen as a revelation...

Six jours

Just because I used short, simple words doesn't mean I was hoping for Canadian participation.

milkcratebasket

Vivalo bikes having bum forks is old news.

LupinIII

i still like my njs bike. i think i paid a fair price. i recognize there are better bikes out there, but for the price it's hard to beat the one i have.

done.

Tomo_Ishi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keirin#Equipment

It's not about high qualities of products. It is more to do with "standardization" of components among the manufacturers. The quality level that we, the consumers, are interested is a secondary effect. ... I mean it's for Keirin, so it would be dumb to see bikes fail every so often, right? So that standard better be high. But like with anything that is human-made, you can get bad parts. It ain't ZERO percent.

... It is probably good enough motivation to go with NJS stuff given I can get em cheap (and the stuff isn't beaten to pulp).

Kinda shame that it's pretty restricted to foreign companies. I would be delighted to see people / bikes from many different countries competing on the tracks. Just don't bring no Canadian quarters.

Metzinger

LOL @ Canadians.
It's not even a real country.

the_don

I like the map that says British America!

deathhare

You're an idiot.
The poster specifically said the owner used the bike for doing street tricks.

Do you really think any track specific fork is made to deal with that kind of garbage?

Mongoose441

Wow thanks for the insight, I am in shock that my 2 NJS rames are timebombs, Maybe I need to replace them with with a good sold langster or Kilo TT.

Cause Chinese children and machines do such brillant work

elTwitcho

Don't do it bro, posting stupid threads

Yo!

Hey OP, if I gave you one of my NJS frames, would you take it?

I wouldn't give it to you anyway.

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And I specifically noted that. Maybe you can get the Canadian to help you with the small words. Then you can come back and explain to us how doing "tricks" causes rust to form between a fork crown and a steerer tube.

Six jours

NJS marked frames can be expected to be extremely competent. But so can any well made lugged steel frame and fork. The NJS mark isn't magic, as so many SS/FG participants seem to believe.

You should ask "Deathhare" about that. Apparently the Chinese are building forks that can stand up to "tricks" without rusting. Or something.

Six jours

Only if you take off the riser bars and neon deep Vs.

Six jours

Huh. So you're not all a bunch of teenaged dumbasses. How about that!

Yo!

Black is the new neon?

Clearly you've got NJS envy. What did you expect would happen by starting this thread?

Metzinger

^I think he expected outrage.
That's why he had the belligerence dial set on '11'.

Mongoose441

NJS is not a magic stamp, But what it does mean it was made in Japan By a human being. The way the market is now You can get a high Quality Hand made Lugged frame made from Real nice steel, Used in great condition For a fraction of a Western made Hand made frame. A better frame? Sometimes yes sometimes no.

LoRoK

Why not just make 10 louder?

Metzinger

Six jours' goes to 11.

ianjk

Repeated stress -> failure of the braze -> rust -> catastrophic failure.