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Old 04-09-10, 04:06 AM   #1
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COPPER PLATING KILO TT - I need photo help for sure

I just got in the new Kilo TT / Stripper frame in Copper
To me; it is fantastic beyond beleif; but taking photos of this frame is just not too easy for me - none do it justice -- hopefully my graphics guy can improve on this when the bikes come in! {also getting Black Chrome - which will be even harder to photo**







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Old 04-09-10, 04:16 AM   #2
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are you shooting with flash? If you are, don't.. A bike with a finish like that really needs to be shot in a studio environment with a solid background, and with filters over the lights. You can also attempt to lower the amount of light and close down your aperture and expose for a longer amount of time. Good luck!
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turn flash off.
mount camera on tripod.
use timer, since your hand will cause the camera to wobble.
do it outside, in daylight, preferably somewhere with no shadows.
use the highest zoom on your camera and back up until the frame fits within the sightings.


Just how much of a pain is it to keep copper plating rust free and fingerprint free?
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Thanks for the photo tips
I think my graphics guy can get good pictures where he takes the bike photos
But I think it may still be hard to show what this finish looks like in 'real life'
I am affraid pictures will just look like it is gold - but it is really much more impressive than that

To tell you the truth - even our phots of Chrome and of Polished Aluminum do not look as nice as the product does when you are standing there next to it in person

copper plating I think should not rust easy; but my understanding is it changes with time and that is something peple like about it.
it does not seem to show fingerprints too much

Black Chrome will be way different
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Just a question, how wise is it to use bare aluminum on copper plating?

galvanic corrosion between those two metals is pretty easy without some barrier, especially after a wet ride.
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Just a question, how wise is it to use bare aluminum on copper plating?

galvanic corrosion between those two metals is pretty easy without some barrier, especially after a wet ride.
we do not use bare aluminum with copper plate

the copper plate is on 4130 steel

we do bare polished AL on bikes like SST-AL and 700HT


i think this copper will be fine in terms of corrosion resistance
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I always wondered about your photos, why they weren't nicer.
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I have that same baseboard moulding! And my wall color is the same too. OMG!
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we do not use bare aluminum with copper plate

the copper plate is on 4130 steel

we do bare polished AL on bikes like SST-AL and 700HT


i think this copper will be fine in terms of corrosion resistance
I'm talking about the seatpost collar.
looks aluminum.
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Oh. Wow. That looks kind of awesome. I just got my OS, don't make me sell it and get one of these.
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very nice. but when are the lugged kilos coming? my credit card is burning holes in my pockets.
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turn flash off.
mount camera on tripod.
use timer, since your hand will cause the camera to wobble.
do it outside, in daylight, preferably somewhere with no shadows.
use the highest zoom on your camera and back up until the frame fits within the sightings.
turn flash off. Yes.
mount camera on tripod. No need.
use timer, since your hand will cause the camera to wobble. No need.
do it outside, in daylight, preferably somewhere with no shadows. Yes
use the highest zoom on your camera and back up until the frame fits within the sightings. No. Because most point and shoot cameras lose image quality while zooming.
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turn flash off. Yes.
mount camera on tripod. No need.
use timer, since your hand will cause the camera to wobble. No need.
do it outside, in daylight, preferably somewhere with no shadows. Yes
use the highest zoom on your camera and back up until the frame fits within the sightings. No. Because most point and shoot cameras lose image quality while zooming.

These are good ideas
one of my guys guys put against black background outside and shot with no flash

Anyway; I have a guy building that one up to ride while we experiement with local plating on his frame
and I may take a picture of his build

And by June we should have production in stock
as these are $50 over a painted Kilo TT - we will see now people like them
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very nice. but when are the lugged kilos coming? my credit card is burning holes in my pockets.

These are still months off
we have the lugged nickel plated frame on BI at a super deal
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I'm talking about the seatpost collar.
looks aluminum.
dingdingding! we have a winner!
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I have that same baseboard moulding! And my wall color is the same too. OMG!
Me too! Insanity!

Also, I think the frame looks awesome. I realize the pictures don't do it justice, but I can imagine how much different/better it will look in person.
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How much is this frameset going to cost?
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If you send it to me, I'll take as many pictures as you want
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This is a funny thread. Yeah, the bike looks cool and all but he's like "hey I need photo help" and then whenever people try to give him tips he goes "yeah my graphics guy blah blah blah". Why not just say "Here's another kilo to add the the seemingly endless list of kilos". People would be fine with that. You don't need to mask your advertisement with PHOTO HELP PLEASE. You are, for lack of better words, preaching to your own choir here bikes direct dude.
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so... where/how can we get this copper plated frame? and how much? etc?
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I have that same baseboard moulding! And my wall color is the same too. OMG!
you sure you guys aren't roommates?
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Need better pics. Just looks like gold chrome in these. I hope it's actually a much darker shade, you know, like copper.
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looks pretty good to me. i'll trade you my green kilo frame for that copper plated one!
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This is a funny thread. Yeah, the bike looks cool and all but he's like "hey I need photo help" and then whenever people try to give him tips he goes "yeah my graphics guy blah blah blah". Why not just say "Here's another kilo to add the the seemingly endless list of kilos". People would be fine with that. You don't need to mask your advertisement with PHOTO HELP PLEASE. You are, for lack of better words, preaching to your own choir here bikes direct dude.
The I need Photo help was more of a self degrading attempt at humor; sorry
Somethings I can be funny in person; but anything I try to write that is funny is an epic fail [as my kids say]

But the truth is - actually even guy graphics guy and everyone I have ever seen has issues with plated bikes -- plated bikes can look really great in person - and then kinda boring in person

But my point is more - my pictures are even worse than most

And actually I would like tips that might get super good pictures of plated [especially black chrome] -- if I could bring photos to people via intenet that truing represented polished aluminum, Chrome, Copper, or Black Chrome - I would greatly increase hpw many I purchase. [by the way, same is about true of high grade metallics]

Sorry; for the poor attempt at humor
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Need better pics. Just looks like gold chrome in these. I hope it's actually a much darker shade, you know, like copper.
Actually, this is an issue -- we have all talked about
plating is copper for sure; but it looks much like gold [which is surely is not]
We are wondering if it will get darker with age [in the way neons get lighter with age]

Painting is much easier and cheaper
Plating is hard, long lead time, and costly - with mixed results sometimes; therefore you see few plated bikes
I just want to do a few for fun
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