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Old 04-14-10, 08:02 PM   #1
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so i FINALLY learned how to skid...

After about an hour of saying "ok today im goin' to get it" i finally did,put my balls literally on the stem and just locked my main leg back,beautiful,Now i only skidded for about 2-3 feet,Is there any tricks to skidding longer ? and how do i skid WITHOUT pushing my pelvis forward and i seem to arch my back a little to lock up my legs? im small..(5'7,135 pounds) and that was the only way i could figure out how to do it...I know there is a search button but nothing relevant came up in terms of how to skid LONGER? also no decent information on how to do it without leaning forward,thank you! so happy ahhhhh haha,been tryin' to do this for 3 weeks ha
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go faster. the farther forward you lean, the easier it is. what kind of tires are you running? grippier tires don't skid as far.
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Skid through dirt or leaves.. watch Mash..
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go faster. the farther forward you lean, the easier it is. what kind of tires are you running? grippier tires don't skid as far.
My Maxxis Refuse tires are grippy as hell and i never skid too far before coming to a complete stop. Unless there's dirt and sand on the ground, then i go further than usual.
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Im running "CST Super HP" tires? And what about doing it without leaning forward or is this going to come wayyy later? im asking because i dont have that beautiful straight back technique i see in videos,im more arched with my balls touching the stem ha


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My Maxxis Refuse tires are grippy as hell and i never skid too far before coming to a complete stop. Unless there's dirt and sand on the ground, then i go further than usual.
yeah i ride gatorskins and it's sort of silly how far i skid. feels like i couldn't ever get away with running brakeless. or maybe i just need to lose weight...
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Im so ****in' stoked i finally got it,i know i have to use it sparingly or i will ruin my tires, what is next trick on the list? i can trackstand already...
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higher speed +more weight forward=longer skidz.Now for real life apps,the shorter the skid the better(if you plan on going brakeless n' stuff).
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whipskidz? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p5UgF7nDHc
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what about how to do it standing instead of leaning forward?
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Im so ****in' stoked i finally got it,i know i have to use it sparingly or i will ruin my tires, what is next trick on the list? i can trackstand already...
Skipping is the way to go if you plan on doing brakeless.It saves the tires quite a bit.I ran brakeless on most of my bikes for some time but never had a issue grinding thru tires.I'm also not he type to race up to a red light and then bust out nuts to stem skidz though.
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Ahhh well ive actually looked everywhere on how to skip and i cant find a decent tutorial nor vid to show you actually how...and yes im running brakeless and i only wanted to learn to skid in case of an emergency/show off move if im bored,my legs are strong enough when i come to a stop light/sign i can do it within a couple feet with resistance braking ,albeit not as good as a front brake but not terrible for someone who just started fixed a month ago and i only ride about 10-12 miles a day...



any skipping how to's?
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what about how to do it standing instead of leaning forward?
low gear ratio, or go slow. when i'm going slow i can sort of pull my front foot up and peddle a half a turn backwards.
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So most of you still lean forward then when you skid?... i thought it was just a logical progression to learn how to skid,then skid without the lean but if id need to go a diff. ratio then ehhh not worth it to me....
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thank you guys for the advice btw,i know your ****in' tired of kids coming in here trying to learn how to do these things,but its appreciated.
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So most of you still lean forward then when you skid?... i thought it was just a logical progression to learn how to skid,then skid without the lean but if id need to go a diff. ratio then ehhh not worth it to me....
think about it: you're skidding bc you're unweighting the back wheel; if you're standing all your weight is on the back wheel and if you've got any kind of gear ratio you'd actually want in the city, no matter how much you try to lock your feet, you're gonna roll, not skid.

if you want to read how to skip, click and scroll down: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/fixed.html#skip
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think about it: you're skidding bc you're unweighting the back wheel; if you're standing all your weight is on the back wheel and if you've got any kind of gear ratio you'd actually want in the city, no matter how much you try to lock your feet, you're gonna roll, not skid.

That's not true.
I run 46 : 16 and I can do nearly seated skids fine. Once your muscles get used to it, the getting up and leaning motion doesn't need to be exaggerated as it was when you were learning.
Basically anticipate your momentum when you are riding. If you are going fast, and spinning at a higher rate, lean forward earlier so that you can time the cranks at the 9 and 3 o'clock position.
Keep practicing leaning forward less and resisting the pedal stroke (muscle!) while your legs are locked.
Eventually, you'll get to a point where you only need to get up from the saddle a for an inch or two and lock/skid perfectly.
I also found (from someone here), that it's much easier to control if you squeeze your knees together at the heattube/frame while you're skidding.
Another thing you can try for fast skids is get up out the saddle quick, lock, then try to sit down immediately after. That way, your legs are still locked and the sitting down motion helps with resisting the cranks. You have to do this really quickly though. This is best for quick stops.
Hope this helps.
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i can't skid seated, but i can definitely skid w/o leaning forward.

I'm not sure how. It's sort of something you just get the feel for. Also, it took you 3 weeks to learn how to skid?? I was skidding on my FG within 30 minutes of finishing the build. What do you find so hard about it? What's your gear ratio?
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sumthin new every day... i stand corrected!
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Well i never really tried hard actually,i would try maybe once every couple days while i was riding but eh,then finally today i just went to a parking lot in philly and learned it in about 30-45 mins of trying and getting over the fear of leaning too forward...

my ratio is... 46(Dawes sst stock? im pretty sure thats what the website says) and the back is a 15 i think? so 46/15? haha i might be wrong
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spkdman,how long did it take you til you actually were able to without leaning so forward dramaticly? im literaly throwing my whole body into it and feel goofy ha
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Ahhh well ive actually looked everywhere on how to skip and i cant find a decent tutorial nor vid to show you actually how...and yes im running brakeless and i only wanted to learn to skid in case of an emergency/show off move if im bored,my legs are strong enough when i come to a stop light/sign i can do it within a couple feet with resistance braking ,albeit not as good as a front brake but not terrible for someone who just started fixed a month ago and i only ride about 10-12 miles a day...



any skipping how to's?
I actually found skipping easier than skidding. And ive found it to be more efficient for stopping that skidding. Stand up off your saddle just slightly, lock up your legs when cranks are horizontal, then stomp on your back foot while leaning forward (not balls2stem. Just push as if you wanted to jump up off your pedals). The momentum should lift your rear wheel off the ground.

I find it easier to do with my strong leg at the back.

Anyways I'm not sure if any of that makes sense. Last thing I want is for someone to eat it bad trying to follow any of my badly written advice

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spkdman,how long did it take you til you actually were able to without leaning so forward dramaticly? im literaly throwing my whole body into it and feel goofy ha
It was a gradual process.
First few weeks of fixed = front brake and stem balls fun

Next few months = mashing soo much it was ridiculous; went as fast as I could every second, b/c every commute is a race
also trying to skid > brakes

After about 6 months = really grew a pair and went brakeless, so I had to skid to survive!
that's when seated skids really came to me (practice, practice, practice! at night with no cars on the road helped )

A few months after = whip skids
I pretty much have these down now, but working on being ambidextrous with it

A week ago = skipping, is actually pretty awesome haha

my fails = wheelie, backwards circle, been working at them for months in and out, but never really focused...

also don't let your size discourage you! I'm 5'6" at 125lbs
in fact I think it's easier because we have less weight to stop
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I skid hop almost everytime Ia skid is called for. I feel I can slow down faster. Also I dont do this very often. I usually give myself enough time to slow down for a stop.

Its fun to skip hop though. And skip stop. I don't run through tires that fast but I dont skid very often.
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Next few months = mashing soo much it was ridiculous; went as fast as I could every second, b/c every commute is a race
yep... and every spandexed roadie passed is a victory!

are there tires you all wouldn't run if you were brakeless? like i said, with my (as demonstrated above) limited skidding ability and understanding of the physics technique involved, even with skipping i seem not to dump all that much speed on my gatorskins. i'm also a stocky mofo, so i've got a lot of weight to stop and seem to skid for miles. would you recommend another tire on my rear wheel if i ever got the stones to go brakeless? for now i couldn't imagine it -- seems like the time it would take to get those skidding skills down to the same reflex/ease it takes to jam the brake in an emergency would take me at least a year or so of heavy riding to get down, but, you know... one of these days maybe.
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