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Old 07-13-10, 02:20 PM   #1
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Horizontal Dropout (Cross-Check) Fixed Gear Isse?

So, my local shop has told me that a Surly Cross Check can't be run as a fixed gear because the wheel can slip out of the dropout. I know Sheldon says they're fine, I know dozens of people have posted their fixed Cross Checks, and hell, even Surly says it's fine. The problem is, I like the people at the shop and would like them to build up a frame but don't really know how to handle it.

I'm about 220 lbs and we live in a very hilly area, so I thought that might be a factor. Are they full of it or are track ends necessary if a lot a stress will be put on the drive train?
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Old 07-13-10, 02:25 PM   #2
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Yay Led Zepp.

You don't need specifically need track ends for fixed gear, many of us here have a conversion and we're not having wheel or axles slippage problems. With a pair of track nuts and enough torque, your wheel shouldn't pop out even mashing hard up hills.
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Old 07-13-10, 02:25 PM   #3
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I'd say they're full of it.

You aren't going to be pulling the wheel forward (out of the dropouts) any more than you would with a similarly set up geared bike.

That is to say; I've pulled my rear wheel out of the dropouts before, but usually on my geared bike with QR's, and usually from a stop, on a hill, in a small gear...

Riding fixed won't make that situation any more likely to happen, or make it any more dangerous if it does.
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Agreed that it shouldn't be a problem as long as the axle nuts or QR are properly secured. And even if the wheel does slip it generally just pulls the DS forward and the tire rubs against the opposite chainstay so you come to a stop.
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Old 07-13-10, 09:58 PM   #5
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Use a enclosed-cam quick release rather than a modern "boutique" style open cam quick release: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/skewers.html
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track ends are really garbage

1: You can't remove your wheel as easily, because the chain gets in the way.
2: If you install a fender, it gets in the way.
3: It offers the same amount of adjustment as horizontal long dropouts.
4: It slips just as much as horizontal dropouts, which is to say, none when properly done.

If you can, go to another shop, preferably one that works with FG bikes.
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Likely just a liability issue for them, or so they are perceiving. If they are going to err, I bet their reco will be to err on the side of caution. So, I would take what the shop says with a grain of salt.
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