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Old 08-26-10, 03:08 PM   #1
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Mercier Kilo TT King headset addition

When installing a Chris King headset on a Kilo TT, did you get the frame faced and chased?
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Old 08-26-10, 03:52 PM   #2
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It would definitely not hurt as the quality and workmanship of BD bikes are subpar... might aswell if you're going to get down and dirty with headset replacement.
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what is this facing and chasing you refer to?

im now going to try to turn this into a "headset installation" thread that probably belongs in the mechanics forum but whatever.....

SOOOOO i have a 1 inch headtube, obviously needs 1 inch headset.
was going to buy a headset press and install myself.....but ive heard terms being throwing around like "reemed" and "chased" and "faced" etc.....

does that mean the inside of the headtube where the cups get squished into needs something done or can i just buy a 1 inch headset (oh, threadless....gonna have a cinelli alter stem) and buy a press and press it in and thats that, OR .......(plz fill in blanks for me)

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it refers to the surface of both ends of the frame where the headset cups sit. If they are not properly aligned with one another bad things can happen. It also has to do with the inside diameter and making sure the 1" cups fit into the 1" frame.
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why are we putting a King headset on a Kilo? For real.
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why are we putting a King headset on a Kilo? For real.
why not?
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why not?
because the headset costs 1/4+ times the cost of the bike, that is just dumb. There are better places to spend money on upgrades.
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I feel stupid for putting a Thomson on a Kilo, but a $100+ headset?!
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it refers to the surface of both ends of the frame where the headset cups sit. If they are not properly aligned with one another bad things can happen. It also has to do with the inside diameter and making sure the 1" cups fit into the 1" frame.
hmm.

so how do i determine if my frame's headtube is in need of this?
i was just assuming 1 inch is 1 inch and a 1 inch headset fits all 1 inch headtubes....

i can feel the impending sheldon brown link coming already lol
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If your frame has splatters/drips of paint on your head tube then you'll need to face it, the bumpy surface will affect how the headset seated on against the head tube. If it's the headset cup does not sit flush with the head tube, then you might damage the headset.
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well, lets say its an older road bike i bought the frame off someone.....and its used so its definitely had a headset in it before at one point....would it be safe to say that this reeming process has already taken place and im good to install the headset?

also, is it something like, headsets and the inner diameter of headtubes are ROUGHLY 1 inch or 1 1/8th, and sometimes headtubes need reeming to be made slightly bigger for the headset to fit?

sorry in advance lol
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You can just install new ones, facing are usually done on newly painted frames; unless the head tube surface (ie, bottom and top) are rusty or uneven, then you'll need to get it faced.

Facing is only done on top of the head tube and the bottom, never inside because it will make it larger and your headset will not be snug in the head tube.
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ahh got yah.

and now i know! (and knowing is half the battle)
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I like the idea of supporting local businesses, and I happen to live less than a mile from Chris King. Also, why not get the best for the parts that matter most?
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well, there was a discussion going on about headsets a while back, and about how headsets like chris king are super expensive because they are equally durable. so a chris king headset makes sense to me on a bike being beat up allot...but functionality wise (ie swiveling) a 100 dollar headset isn't exactly 70 dollars better at turning the steerer tube than a 30 dollar one. er it dosn't really turn the steerer tube, moreso lets the handlebars turn the steerer .....blablabla u know what im talking about lol

chris king headsets are obviously great (im sort of keeping an eye on a few used ones on ebay for cheap) and durable and last forever, but i personally would think other components matter more than headsets. like wheelsets, or cranksets.
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I'll be more than happy with a VO Grand Cru headset.

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i have that VO headset! its great! in fact i love all the velo orange stuff ive gotten so far....seatpost, stem, and headset. good quality to price ratio.
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I'll be more than happy with a VO Grand Cru headset.
oooooooooh purtty~ too bad it won't fit my kilo. I need a new headset
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VO Grand Cru is very similar in design to the tried & true Tange Techno Glide (which comes in both 1" & 1 1/8"):



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thanks scrod! but tange is more expensive. Hm.. how about the cane creek s2? it's $20 cheaper. Any experiences?
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You can find good prices on Techno Glides if you do some hunting. Cane Creek S2 is another good choice for a lower-priced cartridge bearing headset too.

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so the question still remains. Is it always required to face and chase the frame before installing a headset, even if the bike is new?
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so the question still remains. Is it always required to face and chase the frame before installing a headset, even if the bike is new?
No. Chasing means cleaning the threads, such as on a bottom bracket shell or the steerer tube on a threaded fork. The head tube does not have any threads. Chasing is done with either a die for external threads or a tap for internal threads.

Facing means getting the top and bottom surfaces of the head tube plane (flat) and parallel. It doesn't matter if the frame is new of not; facing and reaming is typically needed to get a good fitup of a high end headset, and it is only typically done on very high end or custom bikes. A Kilo TT is not a high end frame, however, you will probably get an ok installation if you don't face / ream it, just not perfect.
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thanks tejano, you just cleared up some things for me.

wait one last thing: is reeming and facing the same thing? ie. getting tops of the head tube nice and flat/parallel?
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