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Old 09-06-10, 01:02 AM   #1
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What makes a good high end frame for fixie's

Ok you can all see that im new to this stuff but i picked up a fixie not to long ago and its just an sold concord. and my question is what make this a $50 frame and other 80's or 70's frames worth so much more. i see some are hand made and what not..what els make stuff like bridgestone bikes frames worth 500+ .

Side note i think im going to start riding my bike to garage sales looking for rare old bikes. so i want to know what to look out for. im getting an idea for some of the brands to look out for. but even then i see Bianchi frames for $100 to 500+ for what looks to be the same frame. any help or a link to a post with the info im looking for.
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There can be lots of legitimate reasons, such as the material a frame its made of, its brand (a BD brand is resale suicide as opposed to say bianchi), its condition (if it was stored outside at the mercy of the elements as opposed to a nice and dry and dark garage; "new years resolutions bikes"; owned by a bike mechanic/ professional), its rarity, its place on a bike maker's model hierarchy, etc...

There are also illegitimate reasons which would be a person trying to milk CL for profit, take advantage of the fixie hype for profit, etc....
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ok for sure. i get condition and the material, so maybe a list of high quality 80's and 90's road bikes and brands. i got like bianchi, colnago, is njs a brand?
thanks for the help cutie!
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njs is a japanese organization that regulate japanese track racing (keirin).
njs frame brands are
1. bridgestone
2. panasonic
3. cherubim
4. makino
5. kalavinka
6. levant
7. nagasawa
8. nanbei
9. shimazaki
10. rap
11. eimei
12. watanabe
13. umezawa
14. samson
15. level
16. yanagisawa
17. gunwell
18. georama
19. civras
20. vogue
21. iribe
22. kiyo miyazawa
23. peloton
24. baramon
25. osca
26. ohtaki
27. stratos
28. giro
29. bomber
30. pro cyon
31. presto
32. emme idea/m idea

some of these brands did make other, lower level frames eg. bridgestone/panasonic, so i wouldnt jump on either of these brands if you see them cheaply.
although i highly doubt you will see any njs frames at garage sales in the US, as they were never distributed there, what you want to look for to know if it is njs is the logo stamp.

which looks like this.
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Don't start looking for something that you don't even know what you are looking for. In other words, do your homework. You probably won't find anything high end at a garage sale, if you do, you probably don't know if it is high end.

Your thoughts are all over the map...

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thanks for the help cutie!
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thats cool. i just saying if i roll buy some **** even on craigs. thanks for that list. and the " lol "
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Just always google the make and model of the bike in the ad; you'll be shocked that you can find quite a bit of info even on seemingly even 40+ year old bikes.
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High end "fixie?" Republic.
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Old 09-06-10, 12:50 PM   #9
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ok let me ask just 1 more jackass question..haha
what would make a...say Bianchi frame worth 100bucks and other Bianchi's worth 500+ ? anything key to look for?
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**** there a Bianchi frame on my craigslist for like 1500$ is this about as good as frame get or something or is he just a nut sack?...
http://reno.craigslist.org/bik/1918835148.html
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Good classic bikes models/brands to look for:
Ross
Free Spirit
Schwinn Continental/varsity
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Ross bikes are going to be way way out of his budget man. Those are... man , too rare. Just too rare.
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Haha ya im sure most of the good bikes are but i have a bike i buying parts for so i got all the time in the world to ride around town a eye craigslist. im in reno so bikes dont pop up all the time but most the time there stoles or left in a storage shed and im counting on someone not knowing what they have.

Side note i just found one of the coolest old school frames i have seen yet its on ebay and i dont think its going cheap but its a baller ass old school.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT
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That colnago deserves more than to be turned into some kids tarck bike
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thats what im saying i would take that thing and turn it out....some gold parts on that thing and some deep v's and its the badest Ho magnet fixie ever.
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That is exactly what Xavier mean.

This thread is full of win.
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i knew what he waqs talking about i was just being a smart ass. would make a sexy fixed gear tho..and you all know it.
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Why do you want vintage frames so bad?
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I can't believe someone brought up NJS, and forgot to mention 3rensho.

There's nothing special about NJS frames over a regular track frame, they just have hipster tax on them. Well, they might be painted better and be heavier, but that's about it.

I remember in 2007 or 2008, bridgestones RB1, RB2, RB3 were going for something like $300-500 because of hipster taxes.

NJS is simply a standard to keep competition about the rider than the bike he's riding while racing in keirin.
not much different from how UCI dictates what a bike is for their events. It's actually kinda stupid to buy NJS parts when there are better parts on the market, from a functionality perspective.
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**** there a Bianchi frame on my craigslist for like 1500$ is this about as good as frame get or something or is he just a nut sack?...
http://reno.craigslist.org/bik/1918835148.html
That frame has columbus tubing and campy chorus headset. To the average person, these things wouldn't really matter. $1500 is a ridiculous price to pay if you just want a bike to commute with. For a collector, it seems reasonable, if not a little high priced.
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I can't believe someone brought up NJS, and forgot to mention 3rensho.

There's nothing special about NJS frames over a regular track frame, they just have hipster tax on them. Well, they might be painted better and be heavier, but that's about it.

I remember in 2007 or 2008, bridgestones RB1, RB2, RB3 were going for something like $300-500 because of hipster taxes.

NJS is simply a standard to keep competition about the rider than the bike he's riding while racing in keirin.
not much different from how UCI dictates what a bike is for their events.

now that is the info i was looking for. so wen it comes down to it most of your older frames are about the same...my condord looks just like allot of other old road bike like allot alike. so im going to take your word on the hipster tax.its kinda what i was thinking all along haha. im just going to keep my eye out for an extra clean frame that has something cool going for it..i.e. paint job and what not. thank for that last post big time!!
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There's nothing special about NJS frames over a regular track frame, they just have hipster tax on them. Well, they might be painted better and be heavier, but that's about it.
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/va...939485492.html
Prime example.

Also found this site on our local fixed site.
http://www.bdc-forum.it/forumdisplay...146&order=desc
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HAHAHAH This thread is too good.

But yes, pretty much all older bikes are of equal quality. Frame materials and components don't really change anything. Just get something that has bright colors.
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I thought you knew a Colnago is just a Huffy with fancy paint job.

Just like how Merckx are actually Free Spirits in disguise.
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Yeah, your really just paying for a name. Damned hipster taxes.
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