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Singlespeed & Fixed Gear "I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five. Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailer? We are getting soft...As for me, give me a fixed gear!"-- Henri Desgrange (31 January 1865 - 16 August 1940)

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Old 09-30-10, 01:11 PM   #1
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Mavic Ellipse lockring info, for reference.

--for future reference for anyone with locking issues with the ellipse--
-- I became very confused with all the talk on what's right what works and what/not--

I ordered a rear wheel off of CL a while back. Got it for a good price, but when he sent it he "forgot" to put the locking in it. Went to all the LBS's locally for one. NO ONE carries them.

Now, from what I've read online, here and on velo, it takes a French ring....proprietary..all that stuff. Slipping of the cog. Lots of issues. Even with the type of ring. People, includimg mavic themselves, say that the DA cog is the best.

Well. I tired may diff types of rings. But then I went to an excellent mech in dallas.( he used all these measuring tools, magnifying lenses......stuff that I didn't know mechs used.)

----here's the combo I used and I have had NO slipping. I used a EAI Gold Medal Pro with a Phil Wood locking. There was no lateral or horizontal play in the ring at all. There was NO gap between the cog and the ring, ran up perfectly against each other. Only issue, was that there were 1 to 2 threads hanging off the edge of the lockring due to the Phil wood Lock ring being so fat.

I ordered the mavic Lock Ring but won't be in for a while.

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Old 09-30-10, 03:19 PM   #2
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It took me a while to figure out what you were talking about.

Locking- the present tense of lock. ex. I am locking my bike.


Lock ring- the reverse threaded metal ring that holds your cog on. ex. I found a lock ring and cog combo that works for my impractical wheels
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Old 09-30-10, 04:00 PM   #3
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It took me a while to figure out what you were talking about.

Locking- the present tense of lock. ex. I am locking my bike.


Lock ring- the reverse threaded metal ring that holds your cog on. ex. I found a lock ring and cog combo that works for my impractical wheels

Thanks for the spelling fix. Didn't catch it.

But your need of being a jerk is really unnecessary. The "ex" the stab at the practicality of the wheel was unnecessary. Thanks for the example and your opinion.

Seriously though. I appreciate your attitude on the subject. Good old fashioned roadie mentality.

- I was just shooting a reference for people that may need help with this "impractical" wheel in the future.
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Old 09-30-10, 04:09 PM   #4
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Mavic lockring

John carries that lockring.

http://www.businesscycles.com/trpart.htm#lockring
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Old 09-30-10, 04:13 PM   #5
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Sweet. Thanks!! I actually ordered one from Harris. They seem like pretty good guys. Thanks for the link though. I appreciate it.

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the bike biz, also carries it.

http://www.thebikebiz.com/Cogs_Lockrings_s/193.htm
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It seems as though the Phil Wood Lockring would not be an issue? Even if it is 'too fat' so to speak, it's functionality is no different, right? If you got a thinner one, it would still hold on just as tight (if not less tight) as the Phil Wood Lockring. Since you run the chance of it being slightly thinner, would it not be better to simply use the Phil Wood? Who knows.. Enjoy the wheel!
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My dura ace cog works fine.
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Thanks for the spelling fix. Didn't catch it.

But your need of being a jerk is really unnecessary. The "ex" the stab at the practicality of the wheel was unnecessary. Thanks for the example and your opinion.

Seriously though. I appreciate your attitude on the subject. Good old fashioned roadie mentality.

- I was just shooting a reference for people that may need help with this "impractical" wheel in the future.

It wasn't a spelling fix, it was him correcting your egregious grammatical errors. I don't see what any of that has to do with roadie mentality, but if you want to "shoot a reference" you should probably be capable of writing above the 8th grade level.
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It wasn't a spelling fix, it was him correcting your egregious grammatical errors. I don't see what any of that has to do with roadie mentality, but if you want to "shoot a reference" you should probably be capable of writing above the 8th grade level.
A typo doesnt equal eighth grade writing level - everyone makes mistakes when typing, if you don't then you probably work in an office all day. I do not understand what he meant by the roadie mentality here, but I also do not understand why Kayce made such a big deal over the typo, giving a definition and a sentence as well to further be a ******bag. Can we get on with this thread? The ellipse is used by a couple of our forum members and I bet they would find this useful.
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I have a 1mm spacer between the mavic lockring and a standard eai cog, both have never slipped. A few years ago, I had an eai cog and "standard" lockring on the other side of the hub, not knowing I needed the mavic lockring. Can't remember if I used a spacer or not. It was hard to tighten that lockring, but it didn't slip and the cog stayed tight. Once I found out about the mavic lockring, I have only used the "good" side of the hub, with no problems. Not sure if a mavic lockring would thread all the way onto the "bad" side now. My main issue w/ the rear ellipse wheel is getting the hub adjusted right, there is either slight play in it, or it's too tight. I run it with very slight play.
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Old 10-02-10, 12:23 PM   #12
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Let me explain the "roadie mentality" so I can continue this thread for people who, in the future, will have issues with this particular wheel setup. I used to race cat 5 Road racing. I became fed up with the competitive mentality that came with the sport, the condescending attitudes. I left the sport because I wasn't enjoying the patronizing attitudes. Maybe it was just Dallas , but I rode because I truly enjoyed riding. I gave up riding. When i picked up fixed gear/track I fell in love with cycling again. The fixed gear communities and track racers are a very warm and inviting community. I've picked up many more miles than I ever have due to the love of riding and what community goes with it. So, when someone in this forum goes out of their way to be condescending, it makes me very I'll, as to what people have become or how bored they are to little someone else that is just trying to help others in the future. In my opinion, to ride fixed gear, one has to really love it. To enjoy it is a beautiful thing considering that we have no brakes, some of us, and frankly, it's more difficult to ride...... But why I do it? Because I love it.

The "roadie" mentality does not exist for all roadies I know. I'm not trying to generalize even though it seems like I am. But. In this community we are outnumbered. I take out MANY new riders to show them how to ride fixed because I want to share my love. I'm never condescending. Also I wrote this thread right after a 9 hour litigation...and I was exhausted but thought maybe, someone out there would benefit from my experience. So guys. Please. Don't be ****** bags. It's not helpful. I'll be happy to stop and give you a tube if you're stuck on the side of the road with a flat, roadie and all.

Sorry if the "roadie" term was offensive to anyone.

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=> fixie mentality is even worse than roadie mentality?!
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A typo doesnt equal eighth grade writing level
Its not a typo when the same mistake is repeated ad nauseam over several paragraphs.
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