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Old 10-04-10, 09:37 AM   #1
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High end cranks- dura ace and campy record

Looking to hear the input of knowledgeable members.

Im looking at different cranks for my newest build and some of the prices are ridiculous. (I work at a shop and Im talking about cost prices, not msrp)

Why are some of these cranks so damn expensive? The campy and dura ace are the main high end ones I was looking at. (miche is priced decent, and I think there is a surgino that is up there too)

So here is the question, Why is the dura ace crankset, which doesnt even include a chainring, so freaking expensive? Do people actually pay msrp for these things? The campy to me looks nicer and has the chainring included.

To be honest I will probably go with the miche advanced, but I still want to hear opinions on why there is such a big price gap and if it would be worth the extra money to go with the campy record or something of that caliber.
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what kind of shop do you work at?
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I also work in a shop and have access to getting just about anything I want at cost, yet find it odd and somewhat amusing that I can still find better deals online by doing a little digging.
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what kind of shop do you work at?
I work at a trek dealer.

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I also work in a shop and have access to getting just about anything I want at cost, yet find it odd and somewhat amusing that I can still find better deals online by doing a little digging.
I also found it funny that I can find the campy record online for cheaper than what I would pay. Havent compared much else.
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I got kicked out of our local Trek store a month ago
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Higher end track cranks are made much stiffer than the average crank, which takes much more time(and money) in design and construction. They are also designed with tighter tolerances which takes more time and money. High end cranks have as round of bolt circles as can possibly get, compared to lower end once, which also take a lot more time and money.

Lots of smallish things combine to make prices of really nice things higher than low end ones. Just like everything else.
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Believe it or not, some national and world level racers are now using Omniums. But, they are switching out the chainrings, chainring bolts, and bottom bracket, though.
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what's wrong with sram omniums?
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I got my DA 7710 used, but BB, Chainring, Crank arms for $230 shipped. My friends have managed to get all of that cept for the BB, new for $150. Just gotta know where to look.
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Has anyone ran both the miche/campy or miche/DA? How did they compare? Noticable differences?
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Are you racing at a cat 3 or better in a local velodrome? Do you weigh more than 170 pounds?

Anyone who can answer yes to either of these should really think about the cranks they buy. If "no" to EITHER of these questions, just buy the cranks that look the best, weigh the least and that you can afford. Obsessing over minutiae when you don't need to robs you of critical saddle time.

GT35 - Stick the miche cranks on that bike and have at it or use the SRAM S300 for period correct strength to weight to look to cost to ease of use ratio.
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A great many things go into the price of high end components and besides the very close tolerances you are often looking at a niche product that does not benefit from the economy of scale more commonly used components do.

"Light, strong, and cheap... pick two" really applies here.

Look at most new high end bikes and most will be running second tier components as the price of the top tier bits are often double of those and really offer diminished returns when you consider how much more you have to spend to get less and less increases in performance and save a few grams of weight.
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had the suare taper dura ace and the newer campy pistas and only the primatos not the advanced from miche.
what i did not liked about the miches was that the threads for the chairing bolts are direct cut in the spider -> were afraid of stripping them. and the side facing the frame was not as well polished as the campys or dura ace. regarding the stiffness i did not feel a difference but also had them all on already flexy steel frames.
what i don't understand is that sugino 75 go for so mutch more than dura ace on ebay...
got all my cranks used, in europe used campy pistas are cheaper than sugino messengers so the choice for me was easy...
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I work at a trek dealer.
is your work related to bicycles?
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This is an awful lot of setup for you to call the OP a big dummy, adriano.





By the way, when you say "Miche Advanced" you mean "Miche Primato", right? We're talking about cranks, not chainrings...
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For folks that wonder why Sugino cranks cost a decent, but not outrageous amount of money... it is because they make a very high quality product and have been doing this for a long time.
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This is an awful lot of setup for you to call the OP a big dummy, adriano.
By the way, when you say "Miche Advanced" you mean "Miche Primato", right? We're talking about cranks, not chainrings...
primato ----- 135bcd track crank
advanced ----- 144 bcd track crank
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I suspect that a lot of it is that they say "Campagnolo" and "Dura Ace" on them. How minute a tolerance difference can you actually detect? I think that a Sora crank probably has 98% of the functionality of the nicest crank ever made, and the 3% of cyclists that are actually physically able to tax the cranks enough to tell the difference (and care) might require something a little nicer. The top of the line I think is mainly about impressing your online friends.

Don't get me wrong- I like nice parts too, but I think if people were really interested in functionality alone, the parts market would be a very different place.

I don't think it speaks well for Pake that they misspelled "knickknacks" on their banner. Google that ****!

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If you run a chain tight enough to detect the difference your chain is too tight. That, or you didn't install the chainring right.
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Can I have this loser loose his ability to respond to my threads? Just because you have 4k posts within your 2 years of being on this forum doesnt mean anything. You are probably are a loser in reality, and spend more time on this forum than on a bike. All of your posts are an attempt to be "funny" and never seem to help the OP.

On a better note, Thanks for the replys. I weigh in at 180. If It ends up the cranks do not hold up I can always "upgrade" but for now i feel the campy and DA are going to make me feel like I paid extra for a logo. For now it will be the Miche.
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The ignore function serves this purpose.

I run Miche Pr1mato cranks, I'm at 188 now. Using the Miche BB as well. I like being able to properly adjust the chainline a bit to clear my chainstays. This would be helpful on the Trek.
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Im curious to see what the 2011 is going to look like in person. I know they changed a few things(replaceable dropout inserts, possible problems with spider clearance). But these cranks are not going on my current bike.
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If It ends up the cranks do not hold up I can always "upgrade" but for now i feel the campy and DA are going to make me feel like I paid extra for a logo.
For now it will be the Miche.
no need to "upgrade", the Miche cranks are very good.
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Can I have this loser loose his ability to respond to my threads? Just because you have 4k posts within your 2 years of being on this forum doesnt mean anything. You are probably are a loser in reality, and spend more time on this forum than on a bike.
No need to attack adriano personally...
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IMHO, track specific cranks cannot be stiffer than the new Dura Ace 7900 / Ultegra 6700 cranksets can they? Hollow, stiffened crank arms and outer ring.

If I were in a no-holds barred build, I would much rather have a top tier road crank over a track crank. Even with a ramped and pinned outer ring, it would be lighter and stiffer than track cranks. Sure the chainline may be funky.... but still.

To answer your question, nobody buys track cranks (comparitively speaking), so they probably cost more to hold inventory at the warehouse than it likely pulls in for profit.

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