Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Singlespeed & Fixed Gear "I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five. Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailer? We are getting soft...As for me, give me a fixed gear!"-- Henri Desgrange (31 January 1865 - 16 August 1940)

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-06-10, 06:29 AM   #1
Kdst3
Newbie
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Bikes:
Posts: 4
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Serious question about Wheels.

So i just got my first bike and already thinking of a custom build and have been doing a ton of research. I'm really interested in the H plus son rims-Formation Face and the Aerospoke rims-700c. some people swear by them others say they're crap. So all "hipster" and sarcastic comments aside (purely tech question) What do you think of them? and if they are crap do you know of better (lighter/more durable/more aerodynamic) wheels that look the same/similar?

any help would be greatly appreciated!
Kdst3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 07:47 AM   #2
seau grateau
Senior Member
 
seau grateau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: LA
Bikes: Shogun Selectra, Dolan Pre Cursa, Ridley Fenix AL
Posts: 6,798
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 65 Post(s)
They are neither aerodynamic nor lightweight. They look cool, and that is it. 100%. If you want wheels that look cool, go for it.
seau grateau is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 08:03 AM   #3
vw addict
Senior Member
 
vw addict's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: East coast
Bikes: Specialized Tarmac Expert, Cannondale R700, Specialized Langster, Iron Horse Hollowpoint Team, Schwinn Homegrown
Posts: 2,673
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
they are good for mad cool skidzzzz.
vw addict is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 08:21 AM   #4
evilcryalotmore
モㄥ工匕モ 爪モ爪乃モ尺
 
evilcryalotmore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: LA San Gabriel, California
Bikes: Custom frame
Posts: 2,137
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Max street cred.
evilcryalotmore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 08:48 AM   #5
shenny88
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Bikes:
Posts: 119
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Aerospokes aren't exactly light. However they are durable and won't have to be trued obviously. Btw, I don't own them, but our shops mechanic is one of their diehard fans.
shenny88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 08:55 AM   #6
gt35built
Banned.
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Chicago IL
Bikes: trek t1
Posts: 331
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by shenny88 View Post
Aerospokes aren't exactly light. However they are durable and won't have to be trued obviously. Btw, I don't own them, but our shops mechanic is one of their diehard fans.
They are relatively durable, which you can say for most wheels. They are heavy as hell, and the fact that they cant be trued is a NEGATIVE because they do get out of true and then you are stuck with a wobbly, heavy, 300 dollar wheel.
gt35built is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 10:29 AM   #7
shenny88
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Bikes:
Posts: 119
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by gt35built View Post
They are relatively durable, which you can say for most wheels. They are heavy as hell, and the fact that they cant be trued is a NEGATIVE because they do get out of true and then you are stuck with a wobbly, heavy, 300 dollar wheel.
I didn't know they could get like that, at least to a noticeable extent... Is that common? And after how long? Not planning on getting them but out of curiosity...
shenny88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 10:30 AM   #8
mconlonx 
Nobody
 
mconlonx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 7,093
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 258 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by gt35built View Post
They are relatively durable, which you can say for most wheels. They are heavy as hell, and the fact that they cant be trued is a NEGATIVE because they do get out of true and then you are stuck with a wobbly, heavy, 300 dollar wheel.
Not too much of a negative if you're not running brakes...
__________________
I know next to nothing. I am frequently wrong.
mconlonx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 10:39 AM   #9
gt35built
Banned.
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Chicago IL
Bikes: trek t1
Posts: 331
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
Not too much of a negative if you're not running brakes...
Yeah a riding on a non-true wheel that cannot be fixed thus will only get worse isn't a problem for people riding brake less...
gt35built is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 10:47 AM   #10
gt35built
Banned.
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Chicago IL
Bikes: trek t1
Posts: 331
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by shenny88 View Post
I didn't know they could get like that, at least to a noticeable extent... Is that common? And after how long? Not planning on getting them but out of curiosity...
Is it common? Cant give you any statistics, but I have had one friend who had it become a problem for him, another person I met showed me his wheel asking for tips to fix(nothing that I could think of) and then a number of stories that I have read online. Not to mention they are extremely overpriced and you can get a better quality SET of wheels for the price you would pay for one aerospoke.

after how long? It only takes one pothole, one crash, one bump to throw it off to the point of no return (unless your going to take a mallet to your new 300 dollar wheel). So it can happen the first day out or never depending on where/how much/how hard you ride.
gt35built is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 11:45 AM   #11
Philasteve
Senior Member
 
Philasteve's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Bikes:
Posts: 1,186
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by seau grateau View Post
They are neither aerodynamic nor lightweight. They look cool, and that is it. 100%. If you want wheels that look cool, go for it.
also aerospokes are pretty bomb proof and will last a long time and never go out of true
Philasteve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 11:48 AM   #12
adriano 
*
 
adriano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Baltimore
Bikes: http://velospace.org/node/18951
Posts: 6,879
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kdst3 View Post
the H plus son rims-Formation Face and the Aerospoke
..
__________________

α
adriano is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 12:09 PM   #13
PHR3AK
quoten fixer
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Seattle/Berlin
Bikes:
Posts: 208
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
durability of aeropokes....still better than spinergy
you can send in a broken aerospoke and get a new one for $150 no matter how old it was. still pricier than replacing a rim but a good service if something happens
PHR3AK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 12:32 PM   #14
gt35built
Banned.
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Chicago IL
Bikes: trek t1
Posts: 331
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Philasteve View Post
also aerospokes are pretty bomb proof and will last a long time and never go out of true
This guy is clueless...
gt35built is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 12:34 PM   #15
gt35built
Banned.
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Chicago IL
Bikes: trek t1
Posts: 331
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by PHR3AK View Post
durability of aeropokes....still better than spinergy
you can send in a broken aerospoke and get a new one for $150 no matter how old it was. still pricier than replacing a rim but a good service if something happens
Good service would be replacing it for free when you spent 300+. Your cool looking wheel now cost you 450.

And I take it your talking about the rev-x when saying aerospokes are more durable than spinergy. Spinergy doesnt even make that style of wheel anymore, and the reason the aerospokes are more durable is because the design is totally different. Look at the spokes themselves. A aerospoke probably weights twice that of a rev x where the spokes where thin sheets of carbon, actually lightweight, and somewhat aerodynamic.

Last edited by gt35built; 10-06-10 at 12:39 PM.
gt35built is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 12:52 PM   #16
PHR3AK
quoten fixer
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Seattle/Berlin
Bikes:
Posts: 208
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
i'm well aware of the difference between the rev x and the aerospoke, point was that there are a lot more dangerous wheels which some people still ride.

replacing a wheel for free someone run thou a pothole does seem to be to good to be true.

don't get me wrong, i don't own an aerospoke and don't plan on getting one. the point is more that they are not race wheels but if someone want's to ride them it's not the worst you can do to yourself...
PHR3AK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 01:17 PM   #17
TejanoTrackie 
Veteran Racer
 
TejanoTrackie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Ciudad de Vacas, Tejas
Bikes: 29 frames + 73 wheels
Posts: 10,179
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 46 Post(s)
Hey guys, read the OP's first post in Introductions, and then temper your remarks accordingly:

1) His bike is a Schwinn Cutter
2) He is is probably a teenager dependent on parents for funding
__________________
What, Me Worry? - Alfred E. Neuman

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dcv View Post
I'd like to think i have as much money as brains.
TejanoTrackie is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 01:24 PM   #18
mumblesmumbles
just mumbling
 
mumblesmumbles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Alameda CA
Bikes:
Posts: 83
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by gt35built View Post
This guy is clueless...
I don't know.

I spotted this one on Sunday and it was pretty true for as old as it is.

mumblesmumbles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 09:06 PM   #19
Kdst3
Newbie
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Bikes:
Posts: 4
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
@TejanoTrackie
Okay. im NOT a teen and definitely NOT dependent on parents funding at all. which is WHY I'm very cautious about making these decisions. I don't have money to burn. but good attempt at reading people on the internet though...
Kdst3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 09:20 PM   #20
Capocaccia
Senior Member
 
Capocaccia's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Bikes:
Posts: 403
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Well KDST3 look at it like this. A pair of aerospokes is going to cost you 300-700$. A set of H plus wheels will run you 300-500$. Why are you willing to spend more on wheels than you did on your entire bike? There are other parts that need more immediate attention. However, look at Alexwheels if you must upgrade wheelsets. They have a mock velocity deep v for a relatively low price and are good quality. I will be looking for a response to my question.

EDIT: After looking more closely at your bike, if you purchase a wheelset at all you are a fool. The bike is 350$ and a wheelset will run you at least 100$. 1/3 of the total price of the bike for wheels still doesnt make sense. You dont have a bad bike. But you do have a heavy, week, poorly designed bike. If I were you Id get a new frame for 200-300$

Last edited by Capocaccia; 10-06-10 at 09:25 PM.
Capocaccia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 10:06 PM   #21
bentchamber
Senior Member
 
bentchamber's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Bikes:
Posts: 150
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I would look into a new frame first..
Aerospokes are garbage IMHO, and the H-Plus sons are just too pricey and heavy.
I would get over the image thing, and get a set of open pros or CXP33s (if you want the semi deep v) they are just better made for the same or similar price (eyeletted, not pinned blah blah)
bentchamber is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 11:11 PM   #22
FastJake
Constant tinkerer
 
FastJake's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Madison, Wisconsin
Bikes:
Posts: 7,574
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by gt35built View Post
They are relatively durable, which you can say for most wheels.
This. I seriously would like some Aerospokes purely for looks. But since they are neither light nor aero I could never spend my money on them.
FastJake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 11:44 PM   #23
BryantTheTyrant
Galactic Soothsayer
 
BryantTheTyrant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Downtown Providence
Bikes: 2010 Motobecane Track.
Posts: 56
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
In a way; isn't the Aerospoke meant for the streets? Because it's not for the track?

I agree with them looking cool: I love the way they look. Personally I'm more into 'form over function' but if they didn't lack performance so badly, I'd get one.

I'd like a Wood's hub, nice rims - and having my LBS lace good spokes - IMO that's how you spend your money right on wheels.
BryantTheTyrant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-10, 11:59 PM   #24
Deshi 
Senior Member
 
Deshi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Bikes: 1990 Waterford Paramount, 1986 Pinarello Pista 195? Raleigh 3sp, 2001 Surly 1x1, 2014 Canfield N9, 2015 Canfield Balance, 2013 Rocky Mtn Flatline, 2012 Intense SS2, 2014 Transition Klunker, + more!
Posts: 1,616
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Just get yourself some aluminum foil and spray paint. The possibilities are endless...
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by PedallingATX View Post
dude...you can't "no ****" something THAT ****. That's like saying "sometimes I just like to make out with dudes...no ****"
Deshi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-10, 04:48 AM   #25
JesusBananas
Banana-tastic!
 
JesusBananas's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Bikes:
Posts: 1,974
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie View Post
Hey guys, read the OP's first post in Introductions, and then temper your remarks accordingly:

1) His bike is a Schwinn Cutter
2) He is is probably a teenager dependent on parents for funding
OP, yes, perhaps the second point is unfair, but the first point is actually relevant. Putting such expensive wheels (regardless they are good or not) on such a cheap bike is basically the equivalent of putting spinners and massive exhaust pipes on a beat-up car that costs less than the accessories purchased for it.

You'd be much better off saving for a new bike if you were desperate to spend the money.
JesusBananas is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:12 PM.