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    Hey Ladieees....Track Frame Fit for Chicks

    After four years of riding FG conversions that don't fit quite right, I'm in the market for a true track frame that will actually be the correct size. The problem I am encountering is that the figures given to me by fit calculators like the one on Competitive Cyclist don't match up at all with what is available in the real world. If the seat tube length is decent, the top tube length is way too long. This is basically the problem I have had with my two bikes I have been riding; the reach is decent and fairly comfortable, but my legs feel restricted. I know women tend to have longer legs compared to men of the same height, and this is definitely my case. Which frames would have geometry better suited for this? Or am I stuck with female-specific road frames?

    I definitely plan to try out the Pake and Fuji track frames in person, but I have noticed that most frames that are approximately the right size feel ok during test rides and it isn't until I get into the third or fourth mile that I can tell. FYI the figures I'm shooting for are 54-55.5 C-C seat tube (55.5-57 C-T), 53-54.5 top tube. The frame geometry charts I've been seeing for the usual suspect cheap track frames run 56 cm minimum on top tubes in the seat tube range I'm looking for. I'm really close to putting all this **** in an Excel spreadsheet

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    kilo tt?

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    Kilo TT - as cliche it is to suggest - may be a step in the right direction due to the geo. How tall are you/what's you're actual inseam?

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    Cliche it may be, but I think the Kilo TT is gorgeous and the price is right, so if it fit I would go for it. I haven't ridden one, but according to the specs anything with a decent top tube length is too small. 54.8 top tube (way upper range of what I'm looking for) has a 53 cm C-C seat tube...1 cm below the low range I would like and only 1 cm bigger than the frame I'm using now which feels too small. I know it's only like a centimeter in each direction but I feel like overall it would add up. I have a 32" inseam but I'm 5'9.

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    Actually...if you can find a used or older Schwinn Madison (the new ones are pretty lame), that may end up being just what you're looking for. The Madison is one of the tallest bikes out there as far as seat tube length vs top tube length are concerned (really, the geo is pretty weird). My size L Maddy is right on the money as far as my preferred top tube length is concerned but about an inch and a half taller than my other bikes of the same size.

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    Scrodzilla, I'll pay for you to get "MADI" tattooed on your right knuckles and "SON<3" on your left knuckles. So you when you put your knuckles together you get "MADISON<3"

    Deal?

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    Haha...I know it's common knowledge how much I love my Madison around here but I'm not just recommending it for kicks. She needs a tall frame. The Madison is definitely a tall frame.

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    Your Madison bias is appreciated I will see if I can find one to try out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trashalicious View Post
    Cliche it may be, but I think the Kilo TT is gorgeous and the price is right, so if it fit I would go for it. I haven't ridden one, but according to the specs anything with a decent top tube length is too small. 54.8 top tube (way upper range of what I'm looking for) has a 53 cm C-C seat tube...1 cm below the low range I would like and only 1 cm bigger than the frame I'm using now which feels too small. I know it's only like a centimeter in each direction but I feel like overall it would add up. I have a 32" inseam but I'm 5'9.
    Do be aware that the kilo 53cm is not like most from other companies. Their bikes run big, and will fit more like a "normal" 55-56.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gt35built View Post
    Do be aware that the kilo 53cm is not like most from other companies. Their bikes run big, and will fit more like a "normal" 55-56.
    As in overall fit? I'm getting the 53 cm C-C measurement from their sizing chart, is a 53 not truly 53 C-C?

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    Forget a track bike.. unless you plan to race exclusively in a velodrome or on a track field.

    Get a Schwinn Madison.

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    If you're going fixie, go down one size from your usual road bike size.

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    my panasonic fits tall. seattube is 62cm and toptube is 57.5. probly more than you want to spend though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NormanF View Post
    If you're going fixie, go down one size from your usual road bike size.
    I don't HAVE a usual road bike size; if I had a road frame that fit, I would just convert it and use that. For the past four years my two ill-fitting conversions have been my only bikes, and before that I had a road bike that didn't fit very well either and its measurements are lost in the sands of time. I have pretty much never had a bike that was the right size.

    Quote Originally Posted by NormanF View Post
    Forget a track bike.. unless you plan to race exclusively in a velodrome or on a track field.

    Get a Schwinn Madison.
    My logic for shopping for a cheap track frame or cheap track complete is that I don't want to waste money on a road complete that I am going to strip down, and if I try to just get a road frame, chances are some of my conversion stuff won't fit and I will have to spend more money there, too. If I get a Kilo TT and high-grade the best of my existing stuff, I'll be happy. Not going for NJS here, I just like to ride fixed and this is what makes sense to me.

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    You know, IRO Mark V and Leader 722TS are both great steel frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trashalicious View Post
    After four years of riding FG conversions that don't fit quite right, I'm in the market for a true track frame that will actually be the correct size. The problem I am encountering is that the figures given to me by fit calculators like the one on Competitive Cyclist don't match up at all with what is available in the real world. If the seat tube length is decent, the top tube length is way too long. This is basically the problem I have had with my two bikes I have been riding; the reach is decent and fairly comfortable, but my legs feel restricted. I know women tend to have longer legs compared to men of the same height, and this is definitely my case. Which frames would have geometry better suited for this? Or am I stuck with female-specific road frames?

    I definitely plan to try out the Pake and Fuji track frames in person, but I have noticed that most frames that are approximately the right size feel ok during test rides and it isn't until I get into the third or fourth mile that I can tell. FYI the figures I'm shooting for are 54-55.5 C-C seat tube (55.5-57 C-T), 53-54.5 top tube. The frame geometry charts I've been seeing for the usual suspect cheap track frames run 56 cm minimum on top tubes in the seat tube range I'm looking for. I'm really close to putting all this **** in an Excel spreadsheet
    That's the same problem my teammate had. She had the legs for a 54cm bike but the reach for a 50-51cm TT. Her solution was a custom frame (Tiemeyer). But, I would suggest maybe trying the smaller frame and using a longer seatpost with a rising stem. Going with a larger frame and using a shorter stem will have the bike handle funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vixtor View Post
    You know, IRO Mark V and Leader 722TS are both great steel frames.
    While you know I'm an advocate for the 722TS, that frame will be exactly the opposite of the measurements/geo she's looking for. Long top tube/short seat tube.

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    Don't limit yourself to the kilo tt. most people ride one frame size down from their regular size on the tt. For instance many 5'11 people ride the smaller sizes, I'm normally on a 60-62 but on the kilo a 57.

    Leader has a nice line of affordable frames. Affinity has some nice stuff but slightly higher in price. I ride a trek t1 and I love it, only switching from a 60 to a 62. the 54 has a 53.6 top tube.


    Also the theory of "one size smaller than your roadbike" isn't always true and/or practical. It will sometimes end up being the case if your using it strictly on the velodrome, but that doesn't seem like the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gt35built View Post
    Also the theory of "one size smaller than your roadbike" isn't always true and/or practical. It will sometimes end up being the case if your using it strictly on the velodrome, but that doesn't seem like the case.
    +1

    As I pointed out in another thread, your body's position (AKA cockpit) on a track bike will be the same on the road bike. The only difference is that, for track racers (particularly sprinters), their entire system is rotated forward using the bottom bracket as the center of the rotation. This keeps the angles of the hips and arms the same, but some weight is shifted to the arms. Endurance riders use the EXACT same position (no rotation) that they have on their road bikes.

    So in short, if you ride a 58 on the road, you'd ride a 58 on the track. If the track bike you want comes only in 57 and 59, go with the smaller one. But, that's a rule that I apply to both road and track bikes. All of my road and track bikes have been either 57 or 58.

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    trashalicious, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but Women's Specific road bikes have shorter top tubes than normal.

    I strongly suggest finding a nice road bike shop that has a bike fit machine. This way you actually get to spin your legs in this machine and see what dimensions you like and what you don't like. Then you will get your proper measurements and preferences on paper.

    This won't be free. But it will be less expensive than buying frames and they not fit. The whole, "Measure twice. Cut once" thing

    Maybe explain that you are college student or ask if there is some sort of discount they offer. It's just labor costs. So, maybe they will take $50 over $0 on a slow day.

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    Go custom, if you can afford it.

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    I was thinking a Lemond frame but damn it has vertical dropouts! For SS riding an eccentric White Industries hub would maintain a clean chain line without a kludgy chain tensioner! No fixed gear though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrodzilla View Post
    While you know I'm an advocate for the 722TS, that frame will be exactly the opposite of the measurements/geo she's looking for. Long top tube/short seat tube.
    Obviously, I'm not the reading kind. I will just communicate through lolcats from now on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by carleton View Post
    trashalicious, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but Women's Specific road bikes have shorter top tubes than normal.
    Yes....and converting a women's road frame is an option, just not a great one. I will definitely look into getting a fitting, I agree that it would be more economical than trying out frames by buying them

    I will check out all the models suggested, thanks everyone. Custom is sadly not an option right now, but hopefully I will find something that will work with the right combo of frame geometry and seatpost-bar height mods.

    Sad that there are so few women on the forum...the female-specific forums I read are woefully low on FG riders and are mostly geared to triathletes. A search for the word "track" returns posts about "keeping track of mileage/calories/your kids' cycling gear" etc. etc. Bleh.

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    Ha! The main reason my wife doesn't join the forum - aside from having to put up with my shenanigans on the internet as well as in real life - is that she says it's too much of a sausage fest.

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