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Old 11-02-10, 06:30 PM   #1
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Fixed Rear Hubs: What makes one better than the other?

Just curious what makes a rear hub better than the other aside from the flange ...
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Old 11-02-10, 06:36 PM   #2
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Mostly just the process and the quality tolerances.
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Old 11-02-10, 06:39 PM   #3
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the colors. some make you go faster.
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Old 11-02-10, 06:40 PM   #4
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better threads, cleaner finish, bolts.
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the bearings speak alot~ like how smooth they spin i.e. ball vs sealed, sealed vs phil-ed ;D (but then again some can be swapped out)

also the hardware such as the spacers and the locknut of the hubs are important because ones like formula are prone to cracking due to excessive tightening



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Old 11-02-10, 08:05 PM   #6
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Lateral stiffness and vertical compliance are very important.
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the bearings speak alot~ like how smooth they spin i.e. ball vs sealed, sealed vs phil-ed ;D (but then again some can be swapped out)
Phil Wood doesn't necessary make bearings, they are Phil-spec'd.

They get their bearings for NSK, which is a bearing company in Japan.
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the colors. some make you go faster.
i dont like the colors
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Most expensive hubs are a mix of:
- Reliable
- Light weight
- Low rolling resistance
- Easy to maintain
- Strong
- Aesthetically pleasing

The more of those features you combine, the more valuable a hub is.

Then for the vintage nerds, add value for:
- Rarity
- Period Correctness


Actually, all of this goes for bike parts in general. Except for "low rolling resistance". Change that to "doing the task well that it was designed to do".
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money tint ftw

the rotory telephone gold phils are expensive because they're ****ing crazy.

nowadays if you're spending more than a formula hub, you may as well get a phil because you aren't getting anything of higher quality for your dollar. unless you like the dollar.

i do like the all city new sheriffs. if i had the money to teach myself to build wheels that is what i'd do it with barring phils.
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Street cred makes a hub worth more.
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Hub clarification:
Rather than start a new hub thread (there are about infinity+1 already) i figured id tack this noobish question onto this thread:

everyone says "formula" hubs are the best bang for the buck (not including top-shelf, cash-money hubs). Poking around online, all of the mid-range and up wheel-sellers stock wheels with formula hubs, some are branded ones: origin8 formula, bianchi formula, etc. others just specify "formula".

is there are difference? are these just co-branded? is formula used as a standard? is any formula hub just as good as the other?
clarifying this would be really helpful in my quest for a lightish, not obnoxious, smooth rolling, but not-too-pricey wheel. Im looking for something just a bit better than decent, the wheelset that is as good as you can get before popping up into the $300 (on sale, deal of the year) range.

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money tint ftw

the rotory telephone gold phils are expensive because they're ****ing crazy.

nowadays if you're spending more than a formula hub, you may as well get a phil because you aren't getting anything of higher quality for your dollar. unless you like the dollar.

i do like the all city new sheriffs. if i had the money to teach myself to build wheels that is what i'd do it with barring phils.

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the hardware such as the spacers and the locknut of the hubs are important because ones like formula are prone to cracking due to excessive tightening
the only time I have had a formula lock nut crack is when my track ends were misaligned
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Wait aren't these those tsunami relief ones?
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I've stripped 2 formula hubs and since then have been spending more money on "quality hubs" and have never had further issues. I've had dura ace hubs since then and have recently switched over to a rear chub hub since I found an awesome deal on craigslist.

If you have the extra cash flow

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no those are special gold ones...only 10 madeee
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the only time I have had a formula lock nut crack is when my track ends were misaligned
maybe it had to do with not cleaning or lubing you drivetrain for 5 years...
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no those are special gold ones...only 10 madeee
They offered anodizing for the tsunami relief hubs... I'll see if they offer gold as they didn't start shipping them yet.


As much as I like the chub hive, it always seems like a novelty for me for some reason... maybe it's the name.... "chub"...
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Bolt-on hubs and the Miche system offers alternatives for our market.
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Those limited edition gold Phil hubs are gold plated, not anodized.
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