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Old 11-03-10, 12:34 PM
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that's one CRAZY Chainring

Also the Porsche is awesome

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Dude looks like a wuss.
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I like the negative rake.
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Originally Posted by dsh
I like the negative rake.
Like a grocery cart wheel
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is that fork backward?
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I want that chainring!
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Forget the bike; I want the martini porsche!
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I thought that moving rake more positive would enhance high speed stability? Like choppers, which handle like crap at slow speed.
That rake would produce the shopping cart wobble as mentioned above... No?

That ring must move a quarter mile per stroke!
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needs risers to barspin tho... lame.
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The negative rake is probably just to move his body further out over the front wheel, so he can get more of his body into the slipstream before his front wheel hits the bumper.
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Somehow I vaguely remember reading an article about that in Car and Driver (many many years ago).
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Originally Posted by Scrockern8r
I thought that moving rake more positive would enhance high speed stability? Like choppers, which handle like crap at slow speed.
That rake would produce the shopping cart wobble as mentioned above... No?
From here: https://velonews.competitor.com/2005/...-and-more_9314

"I made a fork with negative rake on which John Stenner (a great rider and friend who tragically died in a bike/car accident more than a decade ago) won the U.S. time trial national championship in the early 1990s. This was before the UCI had mandated that the front and rear wheels had to be of the same size, so Stenner wanted a smaller (26-inch) front wheel for reduced aerodynamic drag, yet he did not want the front end of the bike to drop (and its head angle to steepen and hence trail and stability to decrease) as they would have by simply switching to a 26-inch fork and wheel. He also wanted a lot more stability so he could just concentrate on powering the bike. The solution I came up with was a unicrown fork with negative rake made out of teardrop-shaped steel strut tubing made to separate the wings of biplanes.

As you can see from the formula and discussion in the previous column or in Zinn’s Cycling Primer: Maintenance Tips and Skill Building for Cyclists, decreasing the wheel radius would have decreased the fork trail and hence the bike’s stability. Couple that with a steeper head angle by dropping the front end due to the smaller wheel radius and shorter fork, and you lose a lot more trail and stability. However, by making the fork a long unicrown bend with this aerodynamic tubing which could not be bent sharply, made the fork longer, and turning it around backwards so that the rake was negative lifted the front end yet more. John ultimately decided that he wanted to be a bit lower and wanted to drop the bottom bracket height a bit as well, both to get down out of the wind more. So, we ended up with 0.5 degrees less head angle, 70mm (!) less rake, and around 22mm less wheel radius, all resulting in a net large increase in fork trail.

We worked on the countersteering skills that it takes to put a super-stable bike into a lean and to rapidly turn it (also covered in the primer.). Once he mastered the necessary countersteering, he realized that this bike was also giving him a big advantage at the turnaround. The 70mm reduction in rake reduced his wheelbase, and hence his turning radius, by almost 70mm as well. After winning Nationals, he excitedly described how he was able to just stomp the pedals and not be concerned at all with steering; the bike just went straight without him, and he zipped around the turnaround so fast that he could hear the spectators exclaiming about it! It’s a shame he is no longer around to invent things with.
Lennard"

Looks like the smaller wheel on that bike may have required a similar solution.
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Originally Posted by dieselstation
Also the Porsche is awesome

There is no a lens wide enough to capture the bad-assedness...or the balls in that photo.
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Anyone notice he has brakes?
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Originally Posted by avner
Anyone notice he has brakes?
couldn't fit a drag 'chute under the saddle
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I saw this this morning on... where was it, Jalopnik?

Apparently this setup was good for 135 MPH or so.

I'd still rather have the pope-mo-porsche.
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To be clear, the "grocery cart" effect of negative rake (and the resulting high trail) creates stability at speed. Intuitively, much like a wheel on a caster, the wheel tends to align itself with the trajectory of the bike. I'm sure someone will jump in and explain the physics that somehow make this reasoning bogus, but it works for me.
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Non drive side!
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Looks like he might have overlap issues with the front wheel ... and the chainring
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i feel obligated to post in a thread about a bike and porsche...
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i feel obligated to post in a thread about a bike and porsche...
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Originally Posted by avner
Anyone notice he has brakes?
I see a rear brake.
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Did you guys peep how the exhaust is piped to the side of the car? And it looks like a roller bar was installed in case the rider touched.
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does anyone know what the actual speed he got up to on that bike?
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