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Old 12-08-10, 02:37 AM   #101
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HOLY JESUS BABY LAMB PASTURE ALIBABA I NEED TO USE WORDS THAT ARE NOT PERMISSIBLE ON THIS FORUM TO DESCRIBE THAT PRICE TAG.

Dude, that Jacket is absolutely baller, and I would kill to have it in my stable but when I could get a Reynolds 753 frame, or finish building my leader with HIGHER end parts then I intended on. Or really fly to Europe for the price of the jacket its so hard to validate that as a purchase. I still would kill you for one j/k...kind of.

On the topic of mission workshops some kid showed up to a night ride last week with a MW Rambler, I dug it and if I ever get the funds I'm 100% without question picking up a Vandal. I think given my stature it would be a great fitting bag and handle my needs very well.
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Old 12-08-10, 02:59 AM   #102
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i'm picking up a rambler tomorrow. i just sold a camera that i had no use for so i think i'll get rid of my stupid 'cut corners' bags and get the rambler. i like being able to see over my shoulder and if i need more capacity, i'll just take the bike with the ortliebs on it.

and yeah, that is the kind of jacket you buy when you are 1. flush with funds 2. riding in rain a LOT, and 3. don't like being sweaty.

until then i'll just layer up with my 30 dollar second hand mountain hardwear conduit dt shell.

****, there are tons of jackets at the 350 price point at REI here in seattle and they're no where near as good looking.

and c-change is intense. just look at the google shopping page. you think 400 is a lot?

i don't go spending that kind of money on something i haven't tried on though. i'd be surprised if many stores will actually carry it on their shelves. i'd like to know how many they made and how many they sell in the first year. i would work for them just to see what kind of employee discount they give,

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Old 12-08-10, 03:57 AM   #103
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$400?!

By the way, I did end up buying the Cyclical Event jacket for $40. MSRP $300 (used to be on bonktown a lot for $150)!

For $40, the jacket is an absolute steal and a complete must-buy. Waterproof, windproof, super light (folds up into a tiny ball), and pretty much all kinds of awesome. I've been wearing it while biking in chilly weather and have been completely comfortable temperature-wise. No chilliness during the ride, and no soaking in my own sweat after I get off the bike. My only gripe so far is that there are no front hand pockets, just a chest pocket and a big back pocket, bike jersey style.

As I mentioned before, the $40 price tag was because there were only two jackets left in stock, and it appears that the only places the jacket can be found anymore are ebay and geartrade.com. If you can find this jacket for under $50, I would definitely recommend getting one.

I do agree that the jacket is worth more than $100, but I am personally too cheap to pay that much for it. It's probably worth it if you have the budget (and/or can find a cheap reseller).
Good luck finding it anywhere though . . .
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1. define 'chilly' (so we can laugh at you) and

2. of course you're going to be happy with a 300 dollar jacket you bought for 40.


i'm happy with my 300 dollar arcteryx jacket i bought for 70(secondhand), and my 90 dollar mountain hardwear conduit dt jacket i bought for 30(secondhand). we say we wouldn't have paid full price for these jackets, but the fact is - we didn't - and i know that at least i wish i could go and spend 400 on a jacket without losing my apartment. especially after tallying up how much i've spent on outerwear and having a bunch of garments that only work so well in so many conditions.


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400 for a Schoeller C-change jacket that's seam welded and manufactured in a small run by the vancouver factory that used to make arc'teryx jackets is really not THAT much money. it's a lot for a jacket, but people who buy Schoeller C-change jackets aren't people who look for jackets in a Target. and 40 dollars, well... that's target money. C-change actually varies its breatheability characteristics dependent on its temperature. that's some ****ing sci-fi **** right there.

e-vent don't do that... goretex don't do that... polartec don't do that. when it comes to waterproof clothing, you have to pay for fabrics that do stuff other things can't.

can you get by with a lesser garment? Oh hell yeah. throw five crewneck sweatshirts from the dollar bin at goodwill on and i think you'll survive through the night. but if you want the best jacket around, odds are it's going to be made out of a fabric that has a name like Schoeller on it. people that set a kia rio budget shouldn't be turning their noses up at a Bugatti. sure, it's extravagant. that's not really the point.

the point is: at that performance standard, anything else is a compromise.
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Old 12-08-10, 11:29 AM   #105
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400 for that mission workshops jacket?????
are you serious? what in their right mind were they thinking? I cant fathom how they can justify such a abhorrent price tag. even if each jacket cost 350 to make, they are still making 50 dollars a sale...something tells me the actual cost of those jackets is nowhere near that and for some reason they feel justified upcharging by a 1000 or so times.

perhaps they realized their demographic is born-from-millionaires trust-fund hipsters and are milking it for all its worth.

im sure there is some reason they feel they can charge that much, but i cant see it.
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Schoeller C-Change. Google it, mother****er.

and i'm sorry but 50 dollars a sale would be conservative on most business models. yall have unrealistic consumer expectations. how many of these do you think they're expecting to sell? economies of scale, homies.
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bla bla bla.
you really think i put more than a split second thought into those numbers?
bottom line is 400 dollars for a rain jacket is beyond ridiculous. rapha dosn't even charge that much.
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Old 12-08-10, 01:05 PM   #108
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Psh, whatever. I'm gonna wear a giant fur coat made from a liger. Super practical.
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I killed my own pegasus and used its skin for my knickers.

Then I weaved a silk jacket from the teet of a silksphinx that i raised from birth. it's waterproof as a mother****er and eats switzerland for breakfast.

only cost me three fifty for needle and thread. 400 is crazy.
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Old 12-08-10, 03:36 PM   #110
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When my unicorn died from exhaustion (before I got into SSFG), I hollowed out its horn to make two fenders.

Cost? Well, a man should never have to bury his unicorn. Never.
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Before reading all these posts I didn't have too much interest in the Orion. It's alright looking, but I get by.



Now I'm about 40% convinced to buy one just to reaffirm that I'm better than all the poor people flipping their ****.
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Old 12-08-10, 03:45 PM   #112
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Go to hell dsh,

Me and my roving band of starving hipsters will find you and you precious bikes and orion jacket. After beating you and stealing your bikes, we'll eat you.
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Old 12-08-10, 04:26 PM   #113
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Found this Columbia Highroad softshell for $30 and figured "why not"?



We'll see how it works out once it arrives.
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This arrived yesterday. It's very comfortable, stretchy, with a slightly longer hem in the back, so it's great for riding. I also put it on the sink and ran some water on it, and it did a great job at repelling it.

My only gripe: It's MUCH thinner than I thought it would be, which probably means it won't be a lot of help when it gets really cold. I'm still going to keep it, cause it feels like a great late fall / early spring type of jacket.

I might still be able to take it out on the colder days if I get some good, warm layers underneath. Only way to find out is to put it to the test.
I'm happy to report that this softshell is THE ****. Looked thin when it first arrived, and it is indeed. Super lightweight. However, it is deceptively efficient against the cold.

Actually held its own yesterday against 20-degree weather with gusting winds. My hands and toes were freezing even with double mitts, wool socks, and leather shoes, but my upper body was straight up cruising. Perfectly adequate.

Best $30 I've spent in a good while.
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When you're riding, pretty much the only thing your core needs to stay warm is a wind stopper. Lots of heat being generated.
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Here is what I wear. Got it for $73+ tax on the REI sales rack. I think it's last years model is why. The current ones they stock have hoods. I love it, been down to single digits already this year and this jacket keeps my body warm. Usually wear tshirt, hoodie, and this jacket.

Best thing to do is look for older models and sales.

http://marmot.com/products/leadville_jacket?p=163

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gore windstopper is the ****, until you get soaked so i hear.
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you can have the Bosun if you'd rather have good ol' sheep fur and only spend <250. that way you can have all the warms.
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You'll still need some kind of wind-stopping shell. Merino doesn't do much against the winds.

Wool only + windy cold + bikes = h8 life.
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I killed my own pegasus and used its skin for my knickers.

Then I weaved a silk jacket from the teet of a silksphinx that i raised from birth. it's waterproof as a mother****er and eats switzerland for breakfast.

only cost me three fifty for needle and thread. 400 is crazy.
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Cc700 cracks me the hell up. Always says dumb stuff that is funny as ****.
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I killed my own pegasus and used its skin for my knickers.

Then I weaved a silk jacket from the teet of a silksphinx that i raised from birth. it's waterproof as a mother****er and eats switzerland for breakfast.

only cost me three fifty for needle and thread. 400 is crazy.
Oh god I totally missed this. Awesome.
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1. define 'chilly' (so we can laugh at you)
Hahaha, I said "chilly," not "cold." I've lived in cold places before; where I live now is not cold in the slightest. The Cyclical eVent jacket is a thin and light shell, not a winter jacket by a long shot.

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Yes, I agree that the super discount is awesome. I also agree that high quality things cost good money. However, I do not really believe that the Cyclical jacket is worth $300. Maybe the eVent makes it extra expensive (cuz the stuff is pretty awesome), but for $300, I could probably find a much better jacket, such as this one:

Complete jacket all in one piece.


Space blanket-like insert.

Castelli Radiation Jacket. MSRP is $500, but findable on a number of sites for under $300. Designed for temperatures from mid 20s to mid 60s. Pretty sick technology, which would explain the price.


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and i'm sorry but 50 dollars a sale would be conservative on most business models. yall have unrealistic consumer expectations. how many of these do you think they're expecting to sell? economies of scale, homies.
Ah, your favorite store (Walmart) is good at the whole economies of scale thing.
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a $30 softshell and a $10 fleece was good at 30f today.
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Ah, your favorite store (Walmart) is good at the whole economies of scale thing.
i can't bring myself to buy from department stores anymore. granted, i'm not saying i'll be spending trust fund money on all my clothes and goods, but i'd rather buy secondhand or from a small company if i can afford it than get a really great deal going to target or wallyworld. next on my list of elmination, fast food. (though i nearly convinced myself the chicken club at mcd's last night wasn't awful. then i thought of the chickens and reconstituted meat slurry.)

funny how when it comes to republic bikes or the cache and even bikesdirect, this forum is all for paying way more money to get something genuine and smallscale production. but when it's something we think we're all familiar with like clothes, suddenly our pockets get shallow and we feel indignant that someone would go and make something so expensive.

a schoeller waterproof jacket made in the former arcteryx facility in vancouver is basically the equivalent of a seven Ti track bike, and something tells me you'd hear more of a sentiment of "whoa, that's eight times more expensive than my frame... cool but too expensive" rather than "3 grand for a bike!!! omglolzor! they shouldn't make a bike that expensive!" which i feel is what's happened here.
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then i thought of the chickens and reconstituted meat slurry.)



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