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    thanks for the feedback everyone!

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    not having toe overlap is a big red flag. im not asking for silly steep track angles, but you cant avoid toe overlap without going under 72.0 degrees in front.

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    Only on the two smallest sizes. 722TS geo:

    Last edited by Scrodzilla; 02-25-11 at 09:40 AM.

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    preedit:

    actually a taller bottom bracket will necessitate an even shallower headtube to avoid overlap.

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    that front geometry is disappointing below the 55.

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    I've got a 51 and a 58 sitting right in front of me. I don't find anything wrong with either one. Then again, I'm not particularly fond of tight track geo.
    Last edited by Scrodzilla; 02-25-11 at 10:04 AM.

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    58s look grand. the 51 doesnt make sense. its low and very long at only 15mm shorter than the 58 but with an overly pedestrian headtube angle and a seat tube angle idiotic in the other direction! i too dislike track geometry, but this isnt it anyway.

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    My 49cm Leader 721tr has a 74 degree ht angle and a relatively high BB, yet there is very little toe overlap. The reason is a long tt. Similarly, my 49cm Kilo WT has a 72.5 degree ht angle, yet it has no toe overlap even with 700x32c tires. It also has a long tt, and a fork with a longer axle to crown distance. My point is that one can't infer anything specific to frame geometry simply based on the amount of toe overlap or absence thereof.
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    i look for a steep enough head tube angle as well as a short top tube. you cant have both without overlap with 700cs. therefore, lack of overlap in small sizes is a preliminary red flag.

    id rather have the steering geometry correct like your frames than an artificially shortened top tube via slackening, but id much rather have both right.

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    the definitions of short and long top tubes are of course relative, but ours are about the same.

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    I bought a 725tr in October or early November last year and it has just been hanging in my closet, looking at me with very sad eyes every time I opened the door to grab a jacket. I took the decals off almost as soon as i got it, so I figured the place I bought it from wouldn't take it back. I've been debating just selling it to buy a different frame (less aero). Before selling I decided to contact Leader and see if they would be so nice as to take a trade (along with some extra cash) so I could get a 722ts instead. They agreed to a trade as long as I pay shipping.

    Awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Great Pan View Post
    I bought a 725tr in October or early November last year and it has just been hanging in my closet, looking at me with very sad eyes every time I opened the door to grab a jacket. I took the decals off almost as soon as i got it, so I figured the place I bought it from wouldn't take it back. I've been debating just selling it to buy a different frame (less aero). Before selling I decided to contact Leader and see if they would be so nice as to take a trade (along with some extra cash) so I could get a 722ts instead. They agreed to a trade as long as I pay shipping.

    Awesome.
    wow that is super awesome of them!
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    That rules. Good deal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Great Pan View Post
    I bought a 725tr in October or early November last year and it has just been hanging in my closet, looking at me with very sad eyes every time I opened the door to grab a jacket. I took the decals off almost as soon as i got it, so I figured the place I bought it from wouldn't take it back. I've been debating just selling it to buy a different frame (less aero). Before selling I decided to contact Leader and see if they would be so nice as to take a trade (along with some extra cash) so I could get a 722ts instead. They agreed to a trade as long as I pay shipping.

    Awesome.
    Well I guess this benefits them as that's 1 less more expensive 2011 725 to send the way for a warranty claim.
    WIN nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happypills View Post
    Well I guess this benefits them as that's 1 less more expensive 2011 725 to send the way for a warranty claim.
    WIN nonetheless.
    wtf did i just read?
    anything measured by the gram is going to be more exciting than something measured in pounds.

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    happy is saying that instead of sending a more expensive 2011 725 to fulfill a warranty issue, Leader can send someone Pan's 2010.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrodzilla View Post
    happy is saying that instead of sending a more expensive 2011 725 to fulfill a warranty issue, Leader can send someone Pan's 2010.
    gotcha
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    anything measured by the gram is going to be more exciting than something measured in pounds.

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    I'm getting tired of cleaning up after you bastards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrodzilla View Post
    I'm getting tired of cleaning up after you bastards.
    Sowwwy Mr. Modzilla.

    But it was in the job description right?

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    I suppose so.

    Back to Leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelly17 View Post
    Finally dialed in.
    I'm pretty sure I rode next to you in the Critical Mass today.

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    Is it just me or did leader change the S805 fork and if so then why? It looks a little different then last years model, at least to me it does. I might be mistaken though :/

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    Pretty sure it's exactly the same. It was the full-carbon I806TR that has gone through some changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UCF Eric View Post
    I'm pretty sure I rode next to you in the Critical Mass today.
    Yeah I rode critical mass yesterday!!! Which leader were you on?
    Raw 58cm Leader 727Tr.

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    2011, not mine:

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