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    Wabi Lightning opinions?

    To owners or people who have ridden on this frame: what are your thoughts? Compared to classic/special?

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    I havent rideen one, and i dont even think anyone in this forum owns one. I may be visiting their store over spring break, and plan on taking test rides if i can. Use google though, there are some reviews out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arp415 View Post
    I havent rideen one, and i dont even think anyone in this forum owns one. I may be visiting their store over spring break, and plan on taking test rides if i can. Use google though, there are some reviews out there.
    I know at least one forum member, Brian, owns one and is very positive. Maybe he'll read this and chime in.
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    BRIIIIIIIAAAAAAN! haha hope he does, would love to hear how he likes it. I am assuming a lot.

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    Actually, I was very interested in one, but unfortunately they don't make one small enough to fit me.
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    jerks!

    Seriously though, i would love to make that my next bike.

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    I have one for two months now. I don't know anything about the geometry and this is my first fixed gear. I like everything about it except for the saddle. I tried both the racing and relaxed style, and I still feel the numbness in my groan after riding for an hour or so.

    This bike is really light. I took off the rear brake and the bike came out to be 15.4 lbs.

    I wouldn't have gotten any other bike if I have to do it again.

    Oh, Richard the owner/founder is awesome.

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    +1000

    Bought it as a frameset. Built up with semi-budget weight weenie parts/wheels. 14.3 pounds with a front brake, bell and bottle cage.

    The geometry is fairly relaxed compared to a tight track frame. It does have minimal BB drop for obvious reasons. I found it doesn't corner as quick as the track frame I rode before, but that lack of twitchyness makes it less tiring on longer rides. To use cliches: it's responsive, light but stable and I find the lack of decals and the colour (black in my case) very appealing.

    I specifically wanted a lightweight single speed frame with normal geometry and no logos all over the place; voila Wabi Lightning.

    And Richard is indeed awesome in communication and advice!
    You fixed my flat tire and now my light doesn't work, so...

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    I really want a wabi cycle. Their store is literally down the block from where I grew up. I must have walked past it a hundred times roaming the neighbourhood when I was younger.

    The lighting will likely be the frame I buy to upgrade the Leader I'm building up
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    Lightening aside (Very tempting as a lightweight bike), I was taking a look at wabi's 3 bikes, and I am tempted to build up a Special, but aside from the fork and the lugs what exactly is worth the extra $255 for the Special vs Classic?


    Classic Specs:

    • Frame: Hand built using heat treated, double butted oversized Reynolds 725 cromoly steel with forged track style rear drops. Braze ons for one bottle cage on down
    tube and integrated headset design. For more details click here

    • Fork: Hand brazed double butted Reynolds cromoly steel with investment cast crown, 1 1/8" steerer and forged fork ends. FSA Orbit headset with cartridge type
    bearings
    Special Specs:

    • Frame: Hand built using seamless heat treated, double butted oversized Reynolds 725 cromoly steel with forged track style rear drops. Braze ons for one bottle cage
    on down tube. For more details click here

    • Fork: Hand brazed tapered cromoly steel with investment cast crown, 1 1/8" steerer and forged fork ends. FSA Orbit X headset with cartridge type bearings

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    Scrod sent me a link asking me to chime in on this thread, but I was busy at the Outdoor Retailer winter show, and wasn't able to respond until now. Living in the snow means I've had to branch out a bit.

    My Wabi is leaning against the wall right behind me, waiting for a little less ice and snow on the ground. It's the Classic, not the Lightning, but I'm reasonably certain that all three frames have the same geometry, and with the exception of forks, the spec is the same as well. The difference is frame material and weight for the Lightning, and lugs for the Special. See posts 7 and 8 for what is pretty typical of every comment I've ever seen about Wabi - the bikes are awesome, never any regrets, and Richard is about the greatest guy you'll ever deal with. Since I got my first road bike around 1990, I have had a Trek, Basso, Ciocc, a couple of Cannondales, and a Felt. I knew exactly what I was looking for as far as ride quality and geometry when I decided to try out a single speed/fixed gear, and Richard was gracious enough to spend about an hour on the phone with me, talking about materials, construction, geometry, and components, as well as helping me pick out the correct stem, bars, cranks, and gearing. His knowledge of the industry goes way back (the guy founded Performance with his brother) and his enthusiasm was incredible. He loves bikes. So I could tell you how awesome I think my Classic is, but my suggestion would be to Google Wabi, read the reviews, and then call Richard. He won't give you any pressure at all, but he will answer all your questions candidly and honestly.

    If you really care about my opinion (and I'm no expert, but have ridden one or two bikes since getting my first one 36 years ago) just go to my blog and search for Wabi. I seem to recall a few posts before my medical issues started.

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    Special is lugged & brazed. Classic is TIG-welded. Lightning is aluminum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batavus View Post
    +1000

    Bought it as a frameset. Built up with semi-budget weight weenie parts/wheels. 14.3 pounds with a front brake, bell and bottle cage.

    The geometry is fairly relaxed compared to a tight track frame. It does have minimal BB drop for obvious reasons. I found it doesn't corner as quick as the track frame I rode before, but that lack of twitchyness makes it less tiring on longer rides. To use cliches: it's responsive, light but stable and I find the lack of decals and the colour (black in my case) very appealing.

    I specifically wanted a lightweight single speed frame with normal geometry and no logos all over the place; voila Wabi Lightning.

    And Richard is indeed awesome in communication and advice!
    Do you mind sharing what components you used? I'm about to go down the same path.

    Thanks!
    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbeasley View Post
    Do you mind sharing what components you used? I'm about to go down the same path.

    Thanks!
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    No problem.

    Wheelset 1: Custom Mack low flange single sided hub 32h to Kinlin XR-200 using Sapim Lasers NDS /DT comp Drive side and alu nips. Front Novatec road hub 28h to XR-200 Sapim lasers all around with alu nips. Weight 1322 grms.

    Wheelset 2: Novatec high flange 32h to Kinlin XR-300 using Cn Mac bladed spokes, brass nips. Front; same Novatec road hub 28 h to XR-300, same spokes and nips. Weight 1580 grms.

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    BTW, my frame (size 55 cm) and fork plus headset and seatpost collar weighs 1885 grms
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    You fixed my flat tire and now my light doesn't work, so...

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    14.3 lbs is quite an accomplishment, photos?

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    thats a chubby seatpost.

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    ubringliten, Batavus, Brian et al: thanks much, I think I've found my frameset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rawsted View Post
    ubringliten, Batavus, Brian et al: thanks much, I think I've found my frameset.
    You will not be disappointed. Enjoy!
    You fixed my flat tire and now my light doesn't work, so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by adriano View Post
    thats a chubby seatpost.
    I know, I know, but it was just too beautiful not too buy. It's definately not weight weenie and expensive. Lighter posts can be had for less money.

    Crappy picture:

    You fixed my flat tire and now my light doesn't work, so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rawsted View Post
    ubringliten, Batavus, Brian et al: thanks much, I think I've found my frameset.
    Tell Richard you got some info from the forums. I don't think he advertises much, so he'd probably appreciate knowing his bikes were discussed here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian View Post
    Tell Richard you got some info from the forums. I don't think he advertises much, so he'd probably appreciate knowing his bikes were discussed here.
    Will do.

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    Er, Batavus: can you comment on the comparison between your lightning and any similarly styled steel-framed bikes you own or have ridden?

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