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Old 01-23-11, 12:18 AM   #1
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What to wear?

So I normally just wear normal clothing when I ride, but I've been getting into riding on the track and doing some longer rides, so I'm looking to get some spandex. i have no idea that to get though or what brands to look into. I'm not looking to spend a lot of money.
What do you guys wear for warm and cold weather?
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Well, the only bicycle specific clothing item that you want to get is a couple of shorts or bibs with a good synthetic padded chamois. Everything else can be regular tight fitting sportswear that is breathable, so it wicks away moisture. As to brands, I get all my cycling clothing through my team, and they use Castelli and Louis Garneau, which is really nice, but it's pretty pricey.
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I don't do nothing serious but commute. On winter mornings in socal it gets as low as 30-40 thats it. And all i need is a big 5 40-50 dollar windbreaker and a light jacket under. And i'll be plenty warm. for legs whise, My jeans keep my legs warm. For toe's i put newspaper at the ends. And i wear two gloves. Under my helmet i wear a cap with ear extensions. On windy days i tape the holes on my helmet.

Sometimes i like to tape down ends of my jeans so air doesnt come in.

Coldest part of my body riding is my cheeks and face. I used to wear a mask but it started to get nasty and gross. Now i just stop everynow and then and warm up.

If you are just starting winter riding. Don't be afraid to over dress. Its alot better then underdressing. Well with a backpack atleast.

Summer riding in LA? It gets to the point where somtimes i have to unzip the top of the heat gear.... Its only cold for 3-4 hours in socal. rest of the day is 70-80 ugh.hate.it.
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A good brand to check out is pearl izumi, somewhat pricey aswell (depending what you call expensive), but the quality and workmanship is there. Plus if you live or work near san diego, there's a factory outlet store at the Caramel Valley part of the northern SD sprawl.
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I don't do nothing serious but commute. On winter mornings in socal it gets as low as 30-40 thats it. And all i need is a big 5 40-50 dollar windbreaker and a light jacket under. And i'll be plenty warm. for legs whise, My jeans keep my legs warm. For toe's i put newspaper at the ends. And i wear two gloves. Under my helmet i wear a cap with ear extensions. On windy days i tape the holes on my helmet.

Sometimes i like to tape down ends of my jeans so air doesnt come in.
Seems like so much for 30-40 degree weather. D:
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^^ i have bad circulation. Im hands get numb when it is 70 degrees out.

Doctor said eat ginger. I H A T E G I N G E R (S) JUST KIDDING D:
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Have you tried ginger candy? Or ginger ale?... the real stuff, not the stuff you get from grocery stores in plastic bottles....
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Merino wool. I got these leggings and they are super soft and warm, but thin. I'll be getting a merino long sleeve jersey soon here too. I wouldn't get something with a bunch of logos and bright colors on it, unless I was actually sponsored. I'll most likely be getting this or something like it:

From Stoic. For warm weather, I've read that merino wool also works fantastic with sweat wicking and keeping you cool. I'm also a fan of natural materials.
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^^ i have bad circulation. Im hands get numb when it is 70 degrees out.

Doctor said eat ginger. I H A T E G I N G E R (S) JUST KIDDING D:
Aww, that's too bad. I just had this awesomely delicious onion, ginger, turnip and chicken chunks with rice meal. You ever heard of a ginger blast? The one's I've drank are fresh juiced apple, juiced ginger, and I think maybe lemon. Man that drink is a kick. Delicious too.
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Ginger is nasty):

I've had Raw ginger. That was gross...

Have any of you guys had 5 hour energy work for you efficently? I'd drink it. And i would fall asleep still. Then the night next i wouldnt be able to sleep...

Once when it was raining out. I had to wear windbreaker pants over my bottoms. Look into some outer shells.
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Yeah most of my cycling shorts/pants are Pearl Izumi. I've also got a couple pair of Craft shorts, which pop up on Bonktown pretty frequently. They're fine.

It's hard to think much about spandex during the winter, though. Now it's all about thermal fleece liners and merino and soft shells.

Tonight I wore:
Long sleeve wool jersey: http://www.oregoncyclewear.com/catal...41/8266742.htm
Cobra hoodie: http://www.chromebagsstore.com/appar...rel/cobra.html
Orion jacket: http://missionworkshop.com/orion-waterproof-jacket.php

Thermal underwear: http://www.rei.com/product/801937
Knee high socks: http://www.rei.com/product/801034
Snowboard socks: http://www.rei.com/product/770631
Telegraph knicker: http://www.chromebagsstore.com/appar...ker.html?c=186

Lycra glove liners
Full finger gloves: http://www.amazon.com/DAKINE-Cross-X.../dp/B0017TC0B0

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Have any of you guys had 5 hour energy work for you efficently? I'd drink it. And i would fall asleep still. Then the night next i wouldnt be able to sleep...
I've tried it; that stuff is weird, well to me anyway, yea it keeps me awake, but like a zombie; it just doesn't pack the punch that coffee does for me. Also, that stuff taste nasty as hell....
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What are your thoughts on this jacket? I really love the look of it and need a new riding jacket, but then I saw the price tag.
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What are your thoughts on this jacket? I really love the look of it and need a new riding jacket, but then I saw the price tag.
I wrote a review for the jackets thread.

The only thing I'd amend now after a few more weeks of use is that the hood is actually kinda awesome. There is a depth adjusting cinch that I just didn't notice before (I took the hood off pretty quickly after getting it).

The depth adjusting cinch makes the hood pretty awesome fitting, BUT makes it more annoying to ride with a helmet on over top of it. Because the plastic cinch part is in the middle / back / top of the hood, and a helmet smashes it into your skull.

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Mission Workshop: Orion Softshell
Alright, I know if I were all of you guys I'd want a more detailed review from someone who owned the Orion before I took the plunge. There were absolutely no reviews from anyone who had really used it when I bought mine, so it was a bit of an unknown. I didn't even have a chance to try it on, but I knew Mission Workshop would work with me if I had problems with fit, and after how they handled my Rondel situation (no-questions-asked new pair, send back the old ones opon recept) it didn't seem like too much of a risk.


Aesthetics
I'm about a month into ownership, and to my recollection I have worn it every day. The most pleasant surprise was how great it looks off the bike. For the nine to five I tend to overdress by just a touch compared to the other Engineers, and the people I work with are not surprised to see my wearing nice things. Still, the first day I showed up wearing the Orion I got many more unsoclicited compliments than I was expecting, and more than a few questions about "Where did you get that jacket?" This isn't me saying
"check out my sweet new jacket!" and them patronizing me... it was
"Hi Judy, how was your weekend?"
"Oh good, I love that jacket!"
The Olive color is awesome in person, and goes great with all the browns and grays and blacks I tend to wear when I care whether I match.

Fit is obviously a big question since very few of us are going to be able to try these on in person. It was a little more tough for me, but it always is. I'm 6'1 175 and when it comes to cycling specific clothing I always have a tough decision to make between Medium and Large. If I get a large in Sugoi or Pearl Izumi it will be a bag; for those brands, medium fits like a glove. If I get a medium in Castelli it will fit like a two-sizes-too-small latex glove; large is much better for that brand. I would say in the "Euro" vs "American" fit, the Orion is a slim American. After talking with Evan at MW for a little bit about what I normally wear and how I intend to use it (winter with a decent amount of layering), he suggested the large, and I went with that.

My conclusions about fit: If you're buying this as your go-to cold weather piece, and you know you're *actually* going to use it in cold weather, and not always on the bike so you're *actually* going to need to layer, then I'd err to the bigger side. Obviously if you're always a medium and you've never bought anything but a medium, just get a medium. But if you're between sizes like I am, the extra room for layering helps.
On the other hand, if I was living somewhere like Seattle where this was more of a rain/wet piece and wouldn't require so much layering, I would have probably tried the medium. Wearing my large Orion over just a tshirt there is definitely some extra room in the torso area that I don't normally like. The jacket is not magic - it will not fit the same with two sweaters as it does with a compression shirt - so you've gotta pick based on your application.

If I was going to gripe about any aspect of the aesthetics, it would be the hood. It doesn't look great when it's up. The head seems a little deep, and so it kinda slides forward over my forehead. Functionally it works pretty well if I flip the bill up, but I still look like a tool. This is kinda the sad reality of hoods, though. That said, the look is much improved if worn with a cycling cap or beanie to take up that extra headroom... maybe this is what they had in mind.
And of course the hood is button-removeable, and completely optional. I have only broken it out a couple times for riding in the rain, and otherwise leave it at home. I just think the jacket looks better without it.

Cold
This is a softshell, so it isn't meant to let you summit Everest wearing nothing but a tshirt. What it DOES do is keep out the wind and rain without turning your torso into a sauna, and it does that really well. The first few times out I did overheat a little bit just because I didn't know what to expect... poly baselayer, long sleeve merino jersey, merino hoodie, orion. That is too much unless you're riding in -20. The good news? Pit zips cure all. Even way, way overdressed, I just opened the pit zips and was riding in supreme comofrt for the rest of the way.

Once I figured out the layering, I realized that a thin poly base layer plus my Cobra hoodie was enough for anything DC had to offer (low 20's to high teens with plenty of wind) as long as I was moving, and maybe replace the poly base layer with a waffle thermal long sleeve or a fleece shirt if I'm going to be off the bike and standing around (in the cold) for long. Again, the jacket doesn't offer more for warmth than maybe a lightweight cotton hoodie, but what it does allow is for your under layers to do their job without being torn to shreds by wind or rain.

I have never once felt the barest breath of draft through any of the seams or zippers, and the cuffs seem to lock like magic onto the wrists of my gloves; there is just enough stretch in the fabric, and they obviously put a lot of thought into the cuff design. My only warmth-related gripe is that the fleece-lined collar lacks any kind of cinch or drawstring, so if you're not wearing anything to occupy the space between the collar and your neck there is some space for wind to sneak in. I'm usually wearing my Cobra with the hood up, which serves to fill the gap around the collar, but it is something you have to consciously solve. Another option would be a gator or really thin scarf to wrap up with before putting on the jacket. The problem also mostly goes away when the buttoned-on hood is attached, but again... I don't normally use that hood.

Wet
Eye of newt. Toe of frog. Wool of bat. These are surely delivered by the truckload to that old Arc'Teryx factory to fuel whatever black magic goes into this fabric. I just performed a test:
- One piece bath tissue, stuffed into the sleeve by my elbow.
- One large bucket, filled with water
- Bend albow at acute angle, inser into bucket submerging arm/sleeve from arm pit to about an inch short of wrist cuff. This includes entirely submering the pit zip and numerous seams.
- Leave in bucket for one minute, swirl it around a bit.
- Remove arm, retrieve bath tissue. It is entirely dry. Magnets, how do they work?

Sure, a rubber suit would do the same thing. But if someone tried to suffocate me with a rubber suit, I'd be done. If someone tried to suffocate me with an Orion, I'd be able to breathe through the fabric for long enough to fight them off. And yet, the bath tissue came out completely dry.

I've only had a few occasions to ride with the jacket in the wet, and in all situations every other aspect of my clothing failed loooong before the Orion. It's kinda a funny feeling to be riding home and have your feet, legs, and hands all numb from 34 degree driving rain... and have your torso and arms cozy and warm and dry. All I need now are some pants, gloves, and shoe covered made from the same fabric. Also, probably a fat New Year's bonus check from work.

Construction and Details
I have alluded to a couple of the really impressive, attentive little construction details that have caught my eye so far. Like the way the cuffs fall so naturally over my full-finger gloves, and have just the right amount of stretch to form a windproof seal that doesn't move around or bunch up while I'm riding.



The outside "cell phone pocket" is the perfect size for a Mead spiral memo book and a pen, and the perfect location for making quick grocery list addendums or writing down addresses. You could also put a cell phone in there, but that has lived in my right pants pocket for a decade and isn't likely to move.

The rear jersey pocket is well situated and surprisingly well hidden. I can put a patch kit, multitool, micro pump, and clif bar back there with it being barely noticeable from the outside. Obviously it can carry more, and you'll just deal with the normal jersey-pocket hump back.

The zippers all go the right way; the pit zips open from pit-to-elbow, and all the jersey/chest/hand pockets open top-down. The zippers are deliberate and firm and precise and waterproof. I haven't found a flawed stitch yet, and I've looked. There was obviously a lot of thought put into the order of operations when they were constructing the jacket, and you could tell they went through all the prototype iterations necessary to get a finished product worthy of the price tag.

One detail I think MW missed the mark on a little bit is the mp3-player pocket, which is on the inside on the right hand breast. The pocket itself is fine; same high quality of construction as the rest of the jacket, and pretty standard neoprene-with-an-earphone-port fare we're all coming to expect in these kinds of jackets. The problem, however, is the location: it is dead in the center of where a left-shouldered messenger bag strap will go. Which means a lot of pressure being places on the mp3 player pocket, where presumably you have your fairly delicate mp3 player (which might have cost as much as this jacket). A few inches higher or lower on the right side, or even on the left side "below" the cell phone pocket, and this could have been avoided.
I don't listen to my mp3 player when I'm riding anyway, so it's in the bag, but this would be a problem some people have to solve.

Another minus would be the potential air-gap at the collar that I mentioned earlier, but this is less of an issue and pretty easily solved by your other layers. It is only going to be an issue if it is really *bitterly* cold, in which case you're going to want to be wearing a gator/scarf/balaclava anyway.


Summary
The Orion is an expensive jacket, but there are reasons for that. It is waterproof and windproof, but you could not be suffocated by it. It is so comfortable it's easy to forget you're wearing it, on or off the bike (I've been sitting here wearing the entire time I've been composing this review), without compromising at all on its attractive aesthetics. The attention to detail in things like the cuff and pocket design is impressive, and the construction quality has revealed no flaws whatsoever in my month of daily use.

I was going to make a pros and cons list, but you all should hopefully know now what the pros are.
So I'll just reiterate the cons, the ones I could come up with.

Cons:
- The hood looks dorky, and there's too much head room to wear it without a beanie or hat underneath.
- The collar can let a little air in if you don't have something to stop it, and there's no integreated cinch.
- The "mp3 player" pocket sits right under a messenger back shoulder strap.
- It doesn't automagically resize itself to fit the same with 10 layers or a t-shirt like in Back to the Future.

That's it.
That's all.

If you don't buy this jacket it is because you are an impoverished homeless person with bad taste.

If anyone has any other specific questions or wants to see detail pictures of anything, just let me know.
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these work well for me and my wallet but I have read some negative reviews.

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I wrote a review for the jackets thread.

The only thing I'd amend now after a few more weeks of use is that the hood is actually kinda awesome. There is a depth adjusting cinch that I just didn't notice before (I took the hood off pretty quickly after getting it).

The depth adjusting cinch makes the hood pretty awesome fitting, BUT makes it more annoying to ride with a helmet on over top of it. Because the plastic cinch part is in the middle / back / top of the hood, and a helmet smashes it into your skull.

Anyway.
Awesome, thanks for quoting your write up.
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I bought a outer shell at target this winter that turned out surprisingly good.Hood is big enough to fit over helmet but has string to shorten if desired.Back is cut reasonably long and velcro on the cuffs.Windproof and waterresistant.Most likely not as awesome as some of the pricey options but can't complain for $40.I've been using it with just a medium weight hoodie and have been fine down into the low 20s.It going to be around 0 tomorrow morning, sotime to break out the heavy wool troyer and look for my facemask
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You guys get to much cold weather. IT DOESNT EVEN RAIN HERE.
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Is where it's at for shorts.


Merino wool is where it's at in the winter time.

And real goretex is worth it.
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these work well for me and my wallet but I have read some negative reviews.

http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product...7_10000_200480
http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product...9_10000_200479
Both of those from Nashbar have CoolMax in it. The best stuff ever. I have a set of gloves I bought when I was up in Canada about 10 years ago. Warm gloves and my hands never get to hot or to cold and never, never sweat.

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You guys get to much cold weather. IT DOESNT EVEN RAIN HERE.
Not last month or just earlier this month.....
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i've been finding tons of merino wool casual wear for stupid clearance prices at gap and tj max.

you just have to make sure it never sees the inside of a clothes dryer.

which is fine, because it dries naturally in like ten minutes.

anyway, i have two zippered sweaters from gap and one crewneck from tj maxx. pretty happy with them. merino wool is great.

for cycling specific stuff, i've been happy with swrve and sugoi.

also, i had a softshell from eddie bauer but i returned it because i'm going to buy an orion when i can afford it. probably save up a buck a month for four months. until then i have bought some stuff secondhand over the past year or so: a mt hardwear rain shell(30), an arcteryx heavyweight soft shell(70), and a sierra designs windbreaker(7) to keep out the rain, cold and wind, respectively.

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So I normally just wear normal clothing when I ride, but I've been getting into riding on the track and doing some longer rides, so I'm looking to get some spandex. i have no idea that to get though or what brands to look into. I'm not looking to spend a lot of money.
What do you guys wear for warm and cold weather?
we have an outdoor store here in pdx that has a used gear basement, I buy all my cycling stuff there... yea, yea i buy used spandex but its $5 vs $50-150. hit ebay or a used sporting goods store, see if its something you really want (i now own 8 or more different cycling shorts) and then go crazy!
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