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Old 01-26-11, 09:21 PM   #1
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Opinions on the Sram S-100 and S-300 and Sub 200$ frame.

Hey I'm planning on building up a fixed gear and I'm thinking about putting some sram s-100s or s-300s on it. They seem higher quality then other cranks in that price range any input, other opinions or reviews?Also I'm thinking of buying a frame i'm intrested in the pake 2009? from ebay any other better deals on frames less than 200?
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Old 01-26-11, 09:35 PM   #2
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S300+GXP external bottom bracket = nice solid worry free... I wanted something mid pack and its super easy to take the crankset out and clean+grease everything
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they're newer technology and stiffer but i wouldn't say it's higher quality just because the design is better...

i'm considering omniums for my kilo, but then i realize i should just save up for a tk2 that has omniums already.
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a la carte is not the way to go if youre buying strictly budget parts only.
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a la carte is not the way to go if youre buying strictly budget parts only.
so you're saying you'll get a better deal buying a complete bike for $600 - $1000 rather than $260 - 320 for frame and crankset? I don't know...
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buying crap components a la carte is dumb because you buy a 30 dollar stem that a company who's gonna put something of the same quality on a bargain bike is getting that part for three dollars, and passing that cost on to you at maybe 5 dollars because they don't need to make money on their component spec, they make it on their brand.

it's when you buy nice bikes with nice components when you pay for the component spec anyway and it doesn't matter as much. when you buy a sram red equipped specialized, you're not getting a big discount on the red. you're getting a discount on the frame because they make so much money off the spec.

also, buying a really awesome value frame isn't necessarily a bad thing. i think a kilo built up with the nicest parts around is going to be heavier and less stiff than a custom tiemeyer, but it's probably a nicer bike than anything else you've built for the money.
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S300: Relatively inexpensive? yes. Crap? no.

I always recommend it when people looking for a mid-level crank ask about it.
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FWIW, I have the S100 and it's pretty nice for the price. You can get the crankset, chainring and BB on ebay as a set for a decent price. I think I paid around $40.
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i still think that buying the exact frame you want, then decking it out with components you find on sale or whatever, you'll be getting a better deal. if you pay 250 for a pake frameset, 150 for formula/ cxp22 wheelset, that leaves you with $200 for the rest of the components which you can gather at good prices from classifieds, ebay, and friends, you'll have a much nicer bike, something you'll enjoy more, and have a lot of satisfaction because you built it yourself. plus stock bikes you end up switching out parts, having to upgrade, and they usually have components that look like crap (though they may perform well).

to OP, a la carte is the way to go
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dude, nuh-uh. i'd rather have a langster
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Aight im super confused right now, is a la carte picking out parts instead of buying a complete?
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yeah the steel langster is sick... hell, i've bought more stock bikes than i have built up, but that's just because i have more money than patience. but now i am happily out of work and in school, so building bikes and finding deals is the way to go fo sho.

but anyway you look at it, an 80's dura ace crank is sicker than anything you can find new.
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Aight im super confused right now, is a la carte picking out parts instead of buying a complete?
Yes. Just like when you go to a restaurant and chose individual dishes "a la carte", you get exactly what you want, but it costs a lot more than choosing a single complete meal.
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Old 01-26-11, 10:39 PM   #14
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Yeah I feel dumb making that comment after I re read everything. Hmm I don't why a la carte seems like a way beter opition prrsonaly.
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Truvativ Touro is the same as SRAM S100. Lurk around eBay or CL, someone must be selling theirs since it's a stock crankset on Kilo.
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i have the s300 i think they are pretty nice. i have omniums also...
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yeah the steel langster is sick... hell, i've bought more stock bikes than i have built up, but that's just because i have more money than patience. but now i am happily out of work and in school, so building bikes and finding deals is the way to go fo sho.

but anyway you look at it, an 80's dura ace crank is sicker than anything you can find new.

Well this leaves us with but one question. What is sick-est? My friends, I give to you, the rational approach.

When you build a bike, almost all of the time you will end up paying more for the bike than if you bought a similar complete. This is just simple business. Bike manufacturers get parts cheaper than you do.

If you buy a bike that is already built, and perhaps BRAND SPANKING NEW with a (oh, my, gosh,) WARRANTY then you will have a bike of the same price, with a better component setup and a warranty rather than having to contact specific parts manufacturers and check to see if you are covered.

No, an 80s dura ace isnt that cool. Its about as cool as overpaying for a parted together bike.

saving money and still having a sweet ride = sickest. If you can build your bike with better parts than a langster for a worthwhile savings of 100$ then let me know.
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I have the S100 with a Truvativ Splinedrive BB. Looks great, but I haven't ridden much yet (winter) so I can't really comment on the performance just yet.
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i have the s300 i think they are pretty nice. i have omniums also...
I know your tryna sell that s-300
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kinda going away from thread topic, but is it worth paying more for omniums or just getting s-300's?
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s300s are fine. tbh, i could never tell the difference between them and omniums. ive ridden both pretty extensively.
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I know your tryna sell that s-300
why would i sell them? i like my s300. i have the omniums for my track bike. unless you plan to ride on the track s300s are more than enough. I am actually looking to get another set for my CX/ commuter (yes they are the same )
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Well this leaves us with but one question. What is sick-est? My friends, I give to you, the rational approach.

When you build a bike, almost all of the time you will end up paying more for the bike than if you bought a similar complete. This is just simple business. Bike manufacturers get parts cheaper than you do.

If you buy a bike that is already built, and perhaps BRAND SPANKING NEW with a (oh, my, gosh,) WARRANTY then you will have a bike of the same price, with a better component setup and a warranty rather than having to contact specific parts manufacturers and check to see if you are covered.

No, an 80s dura ace isnt that cool. Its about as cool as overpaying for a parted together bike.

saving money and still having a sweet ride = sickest. If you can build your bike with better parts than a langster for a worthwhile savings of 100$ then let me know.
for starters a heads up on the frame steel... and a great read to boot!

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Not just similar, but actually 4130.

Here's a quick inside tip for people wondering about exotic, custom compositions of steel. They don't exist. Unless you go to a welding filler rod manufacturer like ESAB, well, infact, only ESAB really, or have a custom 100lb heat made in a research department's electric melting facility, you won't get a 200 tonne steel mill to make you a damned thing that isn't an internationally accepted, standardised steel. They do this for various reasons:

1.) No-one but you wants it

2.) It's not a standardised steel, so no-one has any idea how to heat-treat it (They like to work from fifty year old Jominy tables). So no-one but you wants it

3.) It's mechincal properties, fracture behaviour and - most important to contruction - welding behaviour are unknown so no-one but you wants it.

See a pattern?

Even the brand new Reynolds 953 is in fact disguised Carpenter Custom 455, which is a thirty-year old standard precipitation hardenable 455-grade stainless steel.
Ok so i will admit the frame looks snazzy but so dont many other frames...

I think you can have a bike with a better spec for the same price if you have one very important thing, patience... even if it does cost more you will have exactly what you want, no hidden surprises. you also learn about your bike. If you find an LBS that will back up the bike you buy from them and are cool, work with you and are not just trying to upsell you then I say go for it. Otherwise be your own mechanic. Its not that hard if you have the desire to learn...

OK im done... heh...
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