Squirrelli

Exactly why I retracted the things I said.

Have a ball!

divemedia

Yea, it's a lot better than buying a huge tv! And this let's me obsessively research each and every part i buy.

HandsomeRyan

Better hoops. Hubs and spokes have a little drool factor but deep veez are done-to-death and while they are a fine rim, they aren't exotic enough to warrant drooling over.

Since I'm semi-local I'm going to go head and publicly claim Prima Nocta Rights on this build though.

rustybrown

It will look good in your room not being ridden.

divemedia

Out of curiosity, what are some even better rims that would be just as tough (if not tougher) as the deep v's?

divemedia

lol i am going to ride this to work every day- i'll just keep it in my office instead of locking it up (like everyone else does here- sevens are now the popular bike in my office.)

HandsomeRyan

Reynolds Forty Six Carbon Clinchers are tough and are truely drool-worthy. (about $800/hoop!)

On a more realistic note:

HED Belgium C2 Clincher is a strong rim and the HED logo adds bling value. (Maybe $120/hoop)

Even within the Velocity family of hoops- Dyads are lighter than deep vees and I don't know if they are "stronger" but they are certainly "strong enough" as they are a popular tandem, cyclocross and touring rim. ($65ish/hoop*)

*About the same price as deep vees.

divemedia

What about these H Plus Son Formation Face rims? Are they every bit as good as the Deep V's? They are pretty reasonable in price and get me something a little more unique. I'm pretty sure I can change the rim in my order because there is a lead time of 3 or 4 weeks before they will actually get going on my build.

divemedia

Nevermind, you can't run a brake on the formation face rims. I think I'll be good with the deep v's...

Scrodzilla

H+son SL42s have a machined braking surface.

divemedia

oh cool. thanks! what do you think of this rim compared to the deep v? It's a little heavier.

Scrodzilla

It's 42mm deep so naturally it's a bit heavier. H+sons are quality rims and compared to a Velocity B43, considerably lighter.

You could always do an SL42 in the front and a Formation Face in the back.

jessesv

i have the same frameset as OP and run a H+S F30 in the back and formation face in the front and while they are bombproof, 42mm in crosswinds is a real big pain in the ass. i'm thinking about switching out the formation face for an open pro or something without as deep a profile and lighter. otherwise, i can't complain about H+S performance and durability wise.

divemedia

i just talked to the wheel builder and they only deal with Mavic, Sun and Velocity so unless I want to order different rims and ship them to him, I'm stuck. I don't think it's a big deal as those three choices give me plenty of options. He said I could go with a CXP33 if I wanted and it would be just as good (though not really any better in his opinion- just more expensive.)

What do you guys think when compared to a Deep V.

Ken Cox

I don't understand Deep V's, other than aesthetics.

They just weigh more and catch crosswinds.

Go with Aeroheads.

Just as strong but more all around aerodynamic.

Go with any EAI cog.

The Eai cog almost perfectly matches the Phil hub, as if made for each other.

EAI consistently makes the best and roundest cog on the market.

Phil recommends the 110.5 spindle for the Sugino 75's, but I have always thought the 108 spindle would work as well or better.

Regarding the use of high-quality, expensive bearing sets, I can appreciate the appeal of using more cost-effective bearing sets that get the job done, but in a higher end bike, such as this, I think the components should match in quality.

Cheap shoes look good with Levis, but make an expensive suit look stupid.

HandsomeRyan

What kind of riding are you planning to do that you are so concerned about rim strength? A well built wheel should give you a long happy service life even if the components are not the strongest money can buy. Plenty of folks happily riding around DC on all kinds of wheels that are lighter (and probably weaker) than deep vees or other deep section rims.

Ken Cox

Same thought in my mind.

I weigh 235 with my full kit, and I ride 24/7/365.

I've hit some nasty potholes in the dark.

My Aeroheads remain as true as ever.

Deep V's seem too great a liability in crosswinds, for me.

divemedia

I just ride every day pretty much exclusively in the city where the streets are bad and i just don't want to have to worry about them. i just want to put them on and forget about it and not worry when i hit those really nasty potholes. you're right though- plenty of people ride around on much weaker wheels and are fine for the most part. i guess i'm just obsessing and want to be sure i'm getting the right rim since i'm getting them custom made and they are pretty pricey, that's all.

Scrodzilla

My secretary must not have given me the memo that deep section rims are out.

Leukybear 

Just adding some personal experience/ insight; I only run SG75/superlap BB's (109mm spindle) and it is perfect with my phil set ups.

Ken Cox

Perhaps no one wrote the memo.

However, I keep asking the same question.

Other than aesthetics, what does a rider gain from deep section rims?

Once you get to bulletproof, why pay the penalty of crosswind push and weight for extra unuseable bulletproof-ness?

If a person likes the look of Deep V's just say you like the look.

No shame in liking a certain look.

However, if Deep V's offer some advantage that overcomes the weight and crosswind disadvantage, I'd like to know about it, because, if such an advantage exists, I would get wheels made with Deep V rims.

No one rides roads any worse than I ride, and probably not as bad.

I weigh 235 all up and my Aerohead rim, 32 Sapim C-Xray spoke, Phil wheels stay true year after year and pothole after pothole.

Lighter, immune to crosswinds, and just as bulletproof as Deep V's.

So, other than the look, why Deep V's?

Ken Cox

Yes, I have the 110.5 spindle, and it puts my non-drive side cup non-flush with the bottom bracket shell (threads showing).

If I went with the 108 spindle, it would give me an even number of cup threads showing on each side of the shell.

Arguably, though, a flush cup on the drive side represents the stronger arrangement.

HandsomeRyan

Any reasonable quality rim/hub/spoke combo will accomplish this task just fine if it's built right. Don't over-think it.

Tires- running large tires will do a better job soaking up the potholes than the strongest rim in the world. What size tires will that frame clear and/or what size tires are you going to run.

I hope you don't think i'm just arguing with you to be a d-bag. I'm genuinely interested in your build and want to see it live up to your expectations.

divemedia

Not at all- and I appreciate all the advice. I think the frame will clear 700x28c but I was planning on using a 700x25c tire. And you are right about the build quality being the most important factor and I am sure these will be the highest quality build possible (and they come with a lifetime guarantee.) I currently ride some Velocity Synergy rims laced to Ultegra hubs built by the same guy and they have been fantastic considering how badly they get beaten up.

macnab

Drool worthy = HED C-2 rims