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    Nipples of Steel! AngelGendy's Avatar
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    Converting a 70's Ross to fixed

    I have to admit when I first heard about fixed gears I thought "why" but now that my Ross is going to be playing second fiddle to my Specialized Allez Pro, I thought "why not"

    The only real questions I have are about gearing, I have two crank sets to choose from, both are 170mm, both have 52/40 sprockets. So far in my reading about the subject I have understood shorter than normal cranks is better, my normal length is 175mm.

    I can remove the 40 tooth sprockets from both, but the 52 tooth are not removable.

    So I'm thinking of going with a 40/17 gearing to start with, and just leave the 52 tooth alone.

    The largest cog I can find is a 21 tooth so I don't think a 52/21 will work.

    any thoughts?

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    1975 23" Ross Grand Tour Fixed Gear (Fujita Belt)
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    1989? 15" Specialized Rock Hopper (B-17s)
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    40 to a 16 would be great. I run 46/16 and It either kicks my butt or feels great to me.

    Cut the higher gears off with a hack saw. Leave the 40 tooth. If you really want, remove the cottered crank and replace it with a tapered. But it's hard to even find a good cheap tapered without the bike already having it.

    also, 52/21 would be about the same as 40/16, but if it works out for you, stick to 52/21. I don't know about your chain, but you might need to get a new longer one.

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    Normally the choice between using the inside or outside chainring is based on which of them will give you the best chainline with the rear cog. Typically the inside chainring works best when using a road double crankset with a road bottom bracket spindle length. As to gearing, it seems to me that 52 x 21 is already pretty low, but 22T cogs are available if you really want to go that low.
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    That's why I'm thinking of starting with the 40/17, for chainline mainly, I know I may end up getting another cog or two before I'm done.

    Both cranks are SR square taper.... I'll use whichever gives me the best chainline

    #1 is a cheapie stamped and riveted...





    #2 is a little better quality..



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    1992 60cm Specialized Allez Pro (Wright W3N)
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    Aluminum cogs wear out very quickly and aluminum lockrings are prone to stripping. Definitely get steel. Also, stay away from cheap stamped steel cogs; pay a bit more and get machined and hardened steel cogs and lockrings.
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    I can't seem to find any steel ones that aren't stamped...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelGendy View Post
    I can't seem to find any steel ones that aren't stamped...
    Try here >>> http://www.retro-gression.com/product/track-cog

    >>> http://www.retro-gression.com/produc...teel-lock-ring
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    Thanks, shipping is reasonable too!
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    1989? 15" Specialized Rock Hopper (B-17s)
    1992 60cm Specialized Allez Pro (Wright W3N)
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    If your just riding it around town, 40x16 would be a great ratio. As long as you don't go down a big hill (huuugggee cadence)

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    It says the lock ring is left hand threaded so that's for a track hub right?

    http://www.retro-gression.com/produc...teel-lock-ring


    On another note I needed to replace my front rim so I placed an add on CL and I just brought home a set of Wolber modelle 58 Super champion 36H 27" complete wheels with a 6 spd freewheel and skewers the front hub says "MALLARD Made in France", rear has a sticker that says "Helio Matic Peugeot"
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    I ordered the 16T from retrogression, they answered the question about the lock ring, I just need to check the LBS for a BB lockring to use.

    Next question will the Frenchie hub still have the English threads? the Freewheel has the goofiest multi splined nut I've ever seen.... I thought Suntours were bad!

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    Sheldon suggests that French-threaded hubs are extremely rare. More detail about the heliomatic, here.

    Aye, so BB lockring. You're going suicide?

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    So, how do you plan on mounting a threaded cog on a heliomatic hub?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rustybrown View Post
    Sheldon suggests that French-threaded hubs are extremely rare. More detail about the heliomatic, here.

    Aye, so BB lockring. You're going suicide?
    No I'm keeping the brakes!

    Quote Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie View Post
    So, how do you plan on mounting a threaded cog on a heliomatic hub?
    I wasn't sure what it was until I read the article, I'll probably search ebay for a suitable 36h hub for a replacement in the future. I only needed the front wheel anyway.

    IT could be an excuse to get a proper track hub.........
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    The smallest cog screws on, yes? Unless it's some kind of Mallard propriety size.

    Granted, chainline would be ridiculous.

    Best off lacing in a decent hub.

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    OK so now I'm getting a Flip flop hub to lace into the Wolber rim, should I go with 16t/18t? or will I have enuff room in my 3.5 cm dropout to go 16t/19t?

    In the meantime I have the stock rim ready for my 16t cog, and have a BB lockring.

    Don't mind the dirt.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelGendy View Post
    will I have enuff room in my 3.5 cm dropout to go 16t/19t?
    Yes. You need about 1/8" (.32mm) per tooth change in the dropout, so 3 teeth is about 1 cm. You've got plenty of room.
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    Looks like the Post Office delivered my 16T today, so I may be making a ride around the block tonight, should I be using my clippless pedals?
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    I got the chain on, need to trim my axle about 4mm, and put new bearings in the front hub, and I'm ready to go!

    Chainline with the 40/16 looks great! but I'll wait a few miles before I cut off the 50T.
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    It's getting too late to ride her.... do I dare take the maiden voyage on the way to work tomorrow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelGendy View Post
    It's getting too late to ride her.... do I dare take the maiden voyage on the way to work tomorrow?


    I say do it, worst that can happen is you fall

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    I chickened out! I'll give a ride report after work today!
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    First ride report:

    How do you all do it? I kept wanting to coast, but the bike wouldn't let me! At one point I got going fairly fast and got scared and took my feet off the pedals (note to self.... don't do that)

    I was afraid to use my clipless, but I think they will be an advantage.

    Don't get me wrong I loved it and am looking forward to many miles! The 40/16 combo seems to be just about right, and I should be able to tackle most of the hills around here. I'll get a 19 for the other side once I build my flip/flop wheel.


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    1987 21" Specialized Rock Hopper(B-17)
    1989? 15" Specialized Rock Hopper (B-17s)
    1992 60cm Specialized Allez Pro (Wright W3N)
    1986 Borthwick Road Tandem(Team Pro/B-67s Imperial)

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