EpicSchwinn

So I don't know if I'm just noticing this because I recently got one, but it seems like more and more of us have been switching to shallow rims instead of our old oh-so-cliche deep vs and b43s. (nothing against veeps - they just used to be so popular). So, have those of you who've made the switch to skinnier rims liked it? What's been the biggest difference you've noticed?

I wouldn't be surprised if de-tarcking becomes the trend now that walmart and Joseph Gordon-Levvit are getting their piece of the pie.

ib4

hairnet

I moved my veeps to the roadie and my Open Pros to the fixie. Tarking out only looks cool on tark bikes, not on conversions, and especially not on low-end conversions.

Scrodzilla

Deep Vs are awesome rims but are unfortunately built up with the wrong hubs/spokes when offered as complete wheelsets by a lot of retailers, which makes people complain about how heavy they are. It is possible to build a fairly light Deep V wheel.

I built my A43s because I wanted to try the wider profile and also take some weight off my bike. The difference is amazing on both counts.

EpicSchwinn

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Yeah, I'm realizing I went a bit far on my schwinn. Regardless, the spinergy is still a way better wheel than my old front and it's the only tarck thing on it.

I'd be curious to try a good low profile front wheel and see if I like it better.

homebrewk

I've never liked super deep rims. Open Pros and Aeroheads FTW.

91MF

not trying to be a dick but is this another fashion thread disguised as a technical commentary?

yes people put +40mm deep section wheels on their bikes to look cool. yes people started putting box sections on because that guy they dont like has b43s too. when putting box section wheels on they discovered that some wheels are 23mm wide instead of 19mm. thats all that happened.

sorry just when you said 'skinnier' you should have said 'shorter', and im grumpy. in fact, most guys i know are going wider like scrod did with the a23s.

max5480

I've ridden (on my FG bikes), stock alex on Bianchi Pista, B43 to formula, Phil wood to Open Pro, and now Kinlin Xr200 24f 28 rear. Needless to say, the Kinlin are the most fun (then the stock Alex/Bianchi wheels bc of weight). Lighter is better, IMO, though on those sketchy tight cornered descents Scrod's making me jealjeal with his A23's...

Edit: PS, TB14's are definitely the sexiest rims.

Scrodzilla

Fixed.

I think some of it may have to do with what's "in" at the moment - but - there's the other side of the coin where some people who have been riding fixed for a while are now riding a little more seriously and want better/lighter/whatever wheels for performance reasons. Nothing wrong with it either way.

91MF

o forreals im a prick, but am i wrong? and you are absolutely correct, dudes who got into fixay bikes who figured out riding a bike isnt like a hairstyle are now looking at components that are more practical, even if they have less scene points.

yummygooey

Light wheels make riding more enjoyable, at least in my experience. I feel like I have more control over my speed and I like being able to accelerate quickly.

I'm very happy with my Novatec Forces, which have the same depth profile as Deep V's but only weigh in at about 1750g.

Scrod - How much did your A23 build end up weighing?

EpicSchwinn

This.

yummygooey

When I bough my DP18's 9 months ago I didn't give a crap about weight... I just wanted some sw8 fixxay steezz.

Fast forward to 3 months ago when I first picked up the Forces.

#nevergoingback

Scrodzilla

I may be missing something but what's your beef with this?

front = 842g
rear = 905g

yummygooey

It's also probably the same thing with people dumping their Toshis for clipless and Nittos for compact drops.

I could still have my DP18's, GR9's, Deda Pistas, and SLR on my bike because they look kewl, but at the end of the day my bike is built for riding... and my compact drops, clipless pedals, and Flite make riding a whole lot more enjoyable.

EpicSchwinn

Most people new to fg:
1. see sweet fixays with deep rimz
2. have tight budget but want steez
3. buy heavy but deep wheels
4. a. Decide fixies suck and move on to another fad
4. b. Get serious about cycling and buy new wheels
4. b. I. Buy more expensive light and deep rims
4. b. II. Buy shallower rims because they are light and cheaper but my have less aesthetic appeal

In this subforum I think 90% of us have done something to our bikes because it looks cool. It's not a major offense

91MF

i have absolutely no issue with people getting into cycling and actually riding their bikes.
the attractiveness of the bike or its components are of not enough concern to warrant a thread. advantages of component designs and weights are obvious. extremely basic knowledge of physics would tell you that a low profile rim that is lighter would be 1. less effected by the wind 2. accelerate quicker.
the OP is not an idiot so im just wondering what the thread is really about. thats all.

i read 'thinner rims' and i thought 'no, peeps be putting 23s on now around here. i just even seen scrods leader looking rad with a23s and compact drops in the other thread'

when i opened the thread i found someone making sure everyone knew they were on a box section now and had got rid of the deep profile. you know, before EVERYONE did it.


'today i' got beat out on a purchase because i got stuck in construction traffic. im taking it out on the intarwebs. apologies.

91MF

all true. forreals. but you forgot 'get gears'

Scrodzilla

Wow, this thread.

I really don't think Epic meant "does everyone think shallow rims look cooler than deep rims now?" or that's what he would have said. I think he was just wondering why a lot of people are making the switch the answer is blatantly obvious:

Because I DID IT AND YOU ALL ****ING LOVE ME.

PluperfectArson

I thought about tossing my veepz a while ago, not because of functionality or physics issues, but because they do not appeal to me that much anymore.

Meh.

I'll just buy discs for the front and rear. f u gaiz

EpicSchwinn

In a subforum where "what are you drinking?" is an acceptable and popular thread I didn't think that discussing "the attractiveness of the bike or its components" would be an overly irrelevant thread. It's just a trend in the fixed gear scene and although I didn't have a lot of specific questions I thought some people might want to discuss it.

kabex

Why don't people just get light hubs and rebuild their wheels?

IE. you can buy Token track hubs for pretty cheap(~400g compared to 600g or whatever you're running stock) then lace them with DT Revolution.

You instantly drop up to 500 grams. If you're running shallow rims they're AT MOST 500 grams per rim(veeps are ~520g). 1000 + 400 + 300 = 1700. At the HEAVIEST.

Total cost is pretty cheap(~$150?) and you can build them yourself, it's not that hard.

vw02

classic style will always win in the end

...also classic style = function over form in almost all cases, carbon and super high-end stuff being one of them

FastJake

Trying to get back on topic...whatever the real topic is.

I mostly have box section rims, but that's because all my bikes are old. I had a Specialized tri-spoke on the front of my roadie for a while. It was super fast, but I got rid of it because it was a killer in cross winds. Now I have a Mavic Cosmic (18 bladed spokes, 30mm deep) and while I don't think it's as fast as the tri-spoke, crosswinds don't bother me.

So IME the "perfect wheelset" for all around speed would be about 30-40mm deep, with as few of spokes as possible, and be as light as possible (duh!) Something like a Kinlin XR-300 perhaps.

For durability or bombing around town nothing beats 32x3 or 36x3.

91MF

im serious when i say that this is why.

but you made the switch because they climb and accelerate better and are unaffected by wind.


@OP about the drinking thread: touche.


serious, im grumpy. thats it.

Scrodzilla

This is pretty much what I meant in post #3. Angie built a Deep V with Sapim Lasers & a Novatec track hub that's pretty damn light for a Veep.