AEO

those hubs look like the higher quality builds from novatec or formula with the hollow axle, but since they are still high flange, they're not going to be light. I'd expect 270g or higher for the rear and around 190g for the front.

at 200lbs, I'd go 28f/32r minimum.
I don't know why you wouldn't want brake tracks, but this store is about the best place to order light weight rims from: https://fairwheelbikes.com/rims-road-rims-c-24_128.html

prooftheory

Why? Their prices ain't great.

8bits

I love to research, did a spreadsheet for a awesome weight weenie wheelset:

I checked retro-gression for the spoke and rear hub, competitivecyclist for the skewer and mavic open pro CD, universalcycles for the front hub. Labor and shipping are estimates.
Couldn't guess the weight on the spokes are already accounting the brass nipples tho...if not then it should add 50gr tops?

dddavid

$79/per. But I should've mentioned I'm in Toronto, so that price is a steal for me. For some perspective, one lbs sells a basic black Velocity Deep-v for $89 and another sells it for $100.

hamfoh

<3 you 8bits. that's the sorta thing I had started doing myself but I hadn't done any of the stuff I'd look at the last 2 days so you've saved me some time. I also hadn't considered that front hub at all. I think I could actually get ben's or UC to build me that (or similar) with free wheelbuild labor, so the price estimate is pretty close (maybe cheaper if I grab a coupon, though neither carry lasers). 1600g for good looking, sturdy, light wheels at $500 is prettaaay prettay pretty good.

hamfoh

yeah I was thinking if the rear was under 300 I may pull the trigger on it over a novatec. I figure if they're within 10-20g each of the novatecs I'm okay with it, I'm not sprinting or climbing that much afterall.

fwiw when I was heavier, I rode on a cheaper 24/28 build on some rough roads (2+ years ago) without ever getting into some sh~t and I only remember needing to true them once. I think people play it pretty safe with these strong rims and spoke counts, I think 32 is more than fine on a sturdy rim. though admittedly i don't know much of anything about wheelbuilding, so I'm speaking purely off riding experience.

yummygooey

This is an option: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fuji-Track-P...#ht_4142wt_956

I would venture to say that this would be lighter than or at least on par with options 1 and 2 from the OP at a much lower cost. At ~1750g it isn't an incredibly light wheelset, but it will be noticeably lighter than what you're running on your Mash now. I was amazed at how much of a difference it made when I dropped my Formula/DP18/straight gauge spokes for the Force wheelset.

It is made with Novatec track hubs and NMSW KinLin 300's. The current ones available from bdop are MSW (so ugly )and upwards of $500 shipped: https://www.bdopcycling.com/Wheels-FGSS.asp#FORCE

hamfoh

whoa thanks yummy, hadn't thought of someone parting out bikes. this is why I love you guys.

decisions decisions.

and yeah everything i put on the mash is going to feel like butter compared to this setup I'm riding. the only thing that doesn't weigh as much as a tank on it is my spokes. I even have heavy ass tires on it atm

yummygooey

The Forces are a way underrated wheelset, IMO. I love mine.

hamfoh

considering the all-city sheriff now for the rear. a little pricier than a novatec, but these are nice looking, seem really strong and are 270gs for the rear.

hamfoh

@8bits what was your reason for choosing that skewer btw?

Decepticondc5

$700 budget and still looking at all city?


edit: jk those things are like 100 bucks

hamfoh

I would prefer not to spend $700 if I have to. Light and strong is light and strong afterall

I picked up the CK R45 in silver though

8bits

hamfoh, it was the price/weight and it's a reputable company

btw nice choice on the R45, 5 years warranty is amazing and it's the only CK road hub that they allow radial lacing without loosing the warranty.

chrissss 

Buy this: https://www.competitivecyclist.com/pr...06.1872.1.html

Then I'll trade you my Recons for them

hamfoh

I stopped the order actually from UC thinking more of 32h with x3 instead of radial actually. I think I still want the CK hub, but I wanted to look at a few more options first (chub hub front is even lighter too).

Did you purposely choose it because it's one of those 'tighter' than normal skewers... skewers. I've never seen one like that in person, but it sounds cool. Not a fan of QR, but if you're going to do it, that seems like a good way

@chrissssssssssssss: lolssssssssssssssssssss

hamfoh

steve at ben's says the set of the milwaukee hubs is 480g, so essentially the novatec hub build price. I'm considering it over really balling out on the CK hub because I'm not sure I need to save 130g that much, but it sure would be nice to have them.

my total wheelbuild would be
Milwaukee Hubs = 480g
Open Pro Rims = 874g
Wheelsmith/DT DB Spokes = 370g (possibly 340g)
Brass Nipples = 68g
Total: 1792g
Price: $345 built

CK setup
CK High Flange Hub: 136g ($152)
Open Pros x2 = 874g ($160)
Novatec Rear = 282g ($50)
Sapim Laser for front = 139g ($41 for 32 sapim laser and brass nipples)
Wheelsmith for rear = 170g ($50 for spokes/nipples and labor)
Nipples = 68g
Labor = $30
Total: 1669
Price = $483

AEO

you're still over 1600g with the CK hub, so I wouldn't bother spending the extra.

8bits

This is what everyone says when people try to weight weenie their bikes...the difference between a 7Kg bike and a 8Kg is LOTS of money and the curve of money is steeper when it goes lower, but when you rationalize 1Kg or 500gr is not a lot for a non professional cyclist. You can save lots of money just loosing 1Kg yourself

Lilcphoto

. . . It is rotational weight . . .

dddavid

I calculated 279mm front and back for open pro + novatec. Angie at retro-g confirmed this for me. And Scrod used 279mm front and back for his a23 to novatec wheelset.

The erd of the open pro and a23 are within 1mm, iirc.

(You did post this in AskScrod, but I'm answering here)

hamfoh

thanks guys

seau grateau

I want one of those so bad.

hamfoh

close to 60, you mean like 58

they seem around $120 to me, doesn't seem so bad

yummygooey

Circus Monkey hubs are light and cheap. Almost picked up a set yesterday for the Ti.