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Singlespeed & Fixed Gear "I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five. Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailer? We are getting soft...As for me, give me a fixed gear!"-- Henri Desgrange (31 January 1865 - 16 August 1940)

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Old 01-15-12, 09:23 AM   #1
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Help me choose between this 4 options...

Hi, I'm thinking into changing to fixed/ss, so this are the options I've seen:

specialized langster seattle



http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/...jsp?spid=38450

Price: around 570$/ 450E


Orbea Carpe H60



http://www.orbea.com/us-us/bicis/modelos/carpe_h60

$550


Orbea Dude A20



http://www.orbea.com/es-es/bicis/modelos/dude_a20

$800


Orbea Dude A10



http://www.orbea.com/es-es/bicis/modelos/dude_a10

$1000



The last two are available in Spain, where I am from. What do you think about this options? Do you think they worth it? Another options?

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Old 01-15-12, 09:32 AM   #2
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The first two options are totally different bikes than the last two. What type of riding will you be doing?
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what do you mean with 'totally different'? I see that the geometry are quite different, but at the end all of them are ss/fixed, so...
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Exactly what I said - they're totally different. Just because two bikes are both ss/fg doesn't make them anything alike.

They're made for different types of riding. The Specialized has fenders (and some dumb coffee cup holder on the handle bars) and is set up a lot more like a touring bike than a track bike, while the two Orbeas at the bottom have tighter geo, no bottle mounts and are a lot more "track" oriented.
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mmm you are right... at first I want to use it to go to work, here in madrid is almost always sunny, so don't mind about having fencers or not...
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What kind of riding do you plan on doing with your single speed?
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Old 01-15-12, 10:19 AM   #7
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How agressive a ride do you want? The Carpe looks relaxed the Dude looks like you will always be ready to race.
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inb4 kilo

As far as the four you posted, #1 seems like it'd be the best as a commuter as #2 is alu frame/fork, might be harsh on city streets, and #3 and #4 are more tracky geo. But I think there are probably even better options out there, you seem to have a fairly random selection of bikes here. Is this what your local shop carries?

And like others have asked, how long a commute, what other kinds of riding and for how far, how comfortable are you with racier positioning, etc.
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a20 (black/azul) or h60
depending on if you want an aggressive position or not
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CarpeH60 looks like a nice cozy ride. I like it a lot, but I feel like you can't go wrong with any of those.
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I'd go for the carpe.

does orbea sell their A10/A20 without brakes or is it just for the photo?
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What's on the bars on the Langster? Bookholder? I know a lot of Seattlites are big readers.
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What's on the bars on the Langster? Bookholder? I know a lot of Seattlites are big readers.
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The Orbeas look real pretty, but I haven't seen a lot of information on these forums specifically about their track-style bikes. Perhaps going to the LBS that recommended the models to you and test riding them under the conditions you intend to ride would be the best solution?

The last two would suck with a 40-50 lb. Vandal filled with clothes, food, random commuter junk. Can they accommodate the weight of carrying the stuff you need for work without lowering the lifespan of the wheels? Does running brake-less seem like a good option for your community? Are there lots lights and intersections with the possibility of learning to ride without a freewheel or braking being a hazard to you and others? Does your LBS have a fixed-cog bike available for you to take out and ride before you purchase (outside of the models you are listing - if they aren't physically at the site)?

Lots of things to really sit down and think about before just purchasing. I'd love to have:



but know for a fact after riding in my community that it would be dangerous for me and others with the stop and go downtown traffic, combined with pedestrians that come across from Matamoros and routinely walk against green lights, consider themselves above reproach and have walked in front of my E150 van when I'm driving at 30 MPH with the assumption that I will lock up the brakes before they bother to look both ways. This isn't about them - but all that has to play in your decision more than whether SQRL_1301 on bikeforums likes the ride of one bike over another.

For me, personally, I settled on having a custom-made Handsome Devil turned into a SS/FG with el torro bars, not for hipster points, but because I never ride in the drops down here unless I'm training for mileage or racing (which I don't do much of anymore with marathon training keeping me in shape). I like being able to spread out and still speed. I had to figure out gearing that worked for me on a worst-case scenario - not what CC700 or anybody here rides.

My point is, there's lots of good information here and you are probably better off really surfing through the archives slowly - read up on anything you really need to know and what you can't find is available through ask carlton or ask scrod threads.

In the limited number of years I have been posting, lurking and reading bikeforums.net they seem to have just about covered the gamut on quality information sans spiteful answers.

If you've gotten to this point, I hope you don't read my post as insulting - but rather - an honest assessment of your question.

Oh, and someone will always tell you a Kilo TT. They're probably getting kickbacks of some kind by posting the words Kilo TT - or think you're going to get on a fixed-gear for the first time and realize one of two things. You love it and will immediately start dreaming of upgrades to components or upgrades to your entire bike or you'll hate it and another kilo TT will end up on eBay.

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Thank you all for your replies. I though A20 and A10 had brakes, since in the official web site it says that it has ORBEA PRO brakes, but I don't think it has brakes at all, so this two rejected from my list.

I have a MTB Rockrider 5XC (http://store.btwin.com/rockrider-5-x...fos_detaillees) for 5 years that I use for commuting, but I was a little curious about fixies, so I though into buying one, but actually I'm still thinking into buying a SS/FG like the Carpe H60, or go to a regular geared one like carpe H50:

http://www.orbea.com/au-us/bicis/mod.../#presentacion



My 'necessities' are the following:

-I want a light bike that I can carry with me daily through stairs to my 4th floor house. Now my current MTB weights arounds 35 lbs.
-I don't need to carry any bag or similar.
-I don't mind to have a more racing position, but I don't want to have a regular road bike handlebar:



In my opinion they are quite dangerous for braking in traffic.

-I don't need fenders because here in Madrid it rains very few times.
-I'm doubtful about buying a fixie/ss or a regular geared. I've read tons of post about fixies, pros and cons, but as always, you don't know well until you try...

Thank you!
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In my opinion they are quite dangerous for braking in traffic.
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Old 01-15-12, 03:28 PM   #17
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Sorry if I didn't explain very well, I meant that this brakes forces you to stay always in a 'racing' position, which is difficult in city, at least for me :S
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You could always get interupter levers on yer drops. If you're only doing short rides, flats or risers are nice though.
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i like the frame on the orbea. so that's what i'd get. i'd check the weight of it (the frame that is) first before purchasing, if it's even been published. BTW, my opinion (sans the reasoning behind it) should be of no interest to you. or anybody else for that matter.

edit: i know what to expect from this. i wasn't born yesterday...
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go to a bike shop with real bikes and real people
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you are not real? XDD ok thank you all for your comments, I appreciate.
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