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Old 12-14-04, 07:28 PM   #1
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triple triangle frames

inspired by the yamaguchi/gt discussion, i am looking for a list of all the framebuilders who have worked with the triple triangle design. one of these days i wanna get a frame of this style custom made, so also a list of custom builders who use this design would be helpful for my daydreaming.....

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Old 12-14-04, 08:36 PM   #2
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wave enough bills around and i'm sure most anybody will... i'd start with somebody that does lots of fillet-brazed stuff, like landshark. circle a might be good for that as well...
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shoot. i was hoping this was a thread filled with pics of triple tri frames. i wanted another excuse to post pics of mine.
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there's a really pretty nobilette on FGG...

by the way, i love my GT.
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Old 12-14-04, 09:33 PM   #5
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there's a really pretty nobilette on FGG...
http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/2004/e/wong.htm
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thanks, i was too lazy to do that. sure is nice though, isn't it?
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I promise you this. That triple triangle design was not a GT patent or even an invention of GT. There is an old black and white picture of a 3Rensho bike that had it, probably late 70s or early 80s. And I am almost 100% certain that it was a Koichi Yamaguchi design when he worked at 3Rensho in Japan. Also, KHS ripped the design as well, but it was first on a 3Rensho by Koichi Yamaguchi.

Also, as crazy as this may sound, Look was not even the first to develop the clipless pedal either. There is an article from a foreign Japanese magazine, or a crude pair of clipless pedals dating back tos 1970s of a clipless pedal system designed by a Japanese company, which I think was 3Rensho but not as sure about that one. Dammit, I know there is a old black and white photo of it floating around somewhere.
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Clipless pedals were 1st made by Cinelli back in the late 60s.

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Clipless pedals were 1st made by Cinelli back in the late 60s.

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I didn't know that! Wow 1960s! 3Rensho or some other small Japanese company did have them in the 70s, but I had no idea that Cinelli got theirs in the 60s. All the Look marketing suggest that they were the first. Ahh, the French! Anybody got any nostalgic pics of the Cinelli clipless?
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I didn't know that! Wow 1960s! 3Rensho or some other small Japanese company did have them in the 70s, but I had no idea that Cinelli got theirs in the 60s. All the Look marketing suggest that they were the first. Ahh, the French! Anybody got any nostalgic pics of the Cinelli clipless?
Production was early 1970 ,Cinelli M71's Clipless Pedals

See link http://www.bicycleclassics.com/pedals.html

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Production was early 1970 ,Cinelli M71's Clipless Pedals

See link http://www.bicycleclassics.com/pedals.html

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Sweet! I can't believe they're selling them for 59 bucks! That's like a part of history. Maybe a good investment if they are indeed the 1st clipless pedals.

Hey Ceya, what's the S/F? You a San Francisco rider? Man, sucks to be you! HAha! Just kidding. I feel sorry for all those single-speed fixie riders in San Fran. Must be hard with getting up and down those hills with just one gear!
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Sweet! I can't believe they're selling them for 59 bucks! That's like a part of history. Maybe a good investment if they are indeed the 1st clipless pedals.

Hey Ceya, what's the S/F? You a San Francisco rider? Man, sucks to be you! HAha! Just kidding. I feel sorry for all those single-speed fixie riders in San Fran. Must be hard with getting up and down those hills with just one gear!

No! San Fran.. Former NYC Messenger with almost 17yrs of service .

S/F is Semper Fidelis.. means ALWAYS FAITHFUL.. USMC. Yes I am Devil Dog also.

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No! San Fran.. Former NYC Messenger with almost 17yrs of service .

S/F is Semper Fidelis.. means ALWAYS FAITHFUL.. USMC. Yes I am Devil Dog also.

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Alright! NYC representing! I stayed in NYC during a 3 month IT Consulting project once. Man, I totally wished I could've stayed longer. Central Park at 5PM is like fixed gear heaven! The first time I was there I couldn't believe all the riders, especially messengers, on their fixies. Have you seen the Old Skool Track guys? I've seen their site and they are the coolest, baddest, peeps around for promoting our little niche slice of bike heaven or hell, whichever you prefer.
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Alright! NYC representing! I stayed in NYC during a 3 month IT Consulting project once. Man, I totally wished I could've stayed longer. Central Park at 5PM is like fixed gear heaven! The first time I was there I couldn't believe all the riders, especially messengers, on their fixies. Have you seen the Old Skool Track guys? I've seen their site and they are the coolest, baddest, peeps around for promoting our little niche slice of bike heaven or hell, whichever you prefer.

yep seen them there and some of my boys was part of that crew. Miss those 7pm rides.

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Old 12-16-04, 06:11 AM   #15
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Production was early 1970 ,Cinelli M71's Clipless Pedals

See link http://www.bicycleclassics.com/pedals.html

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it was also called death pedals, if I remember correctly, because there was no release mechanism.
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Old 12-16-04, 12:52 PM   #16
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And I am almost 100% certain that it was a Koichi Yamaguchi design when he worked at 3Rensho in Japan. Also, KHS ripped the design as well, but it was first on a 3Rensho by Koichi Yamaguchi.
Au contraire... Thanet did it at least 20 years earlier.

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Bri...et_SL_1951.htm

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Bri...silverlite.htm

It's a shame these pictures aren't that great... I've got some on another computer of a Thanet that was fully restored and went on eBay a while back. They had really interesting touches, some (like the triple-triangle) that were way ahead of their time.
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They were indeed known as death pedals. But...go to speedplay's website (figure it out) and you'll be treated to a timeline showing the history of pedals. There were several designs patented before the turn of the century, including a double sided, recessed cleat model with float!
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I have a picture of a Thanet but it's too large to post and I am incapable of downsizing it.
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Old 12-17-04, 06:54 AM   #19
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goddamnit.

i had the best cherry pie tonight. celebrating the last episode of twin peaks (just finished the series marathon, its 5am and thank god for winter break). anyone ever been to 'sweet life' in eugene? mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. piiiiiiiie.
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My race team has a bunch of loaner bikes for track racing and some of them are GT's.Ive been a fan of GT ever since I was a little one doing BMX.When I saw there Triple Triangle I fell in love.Are these still made? Where can I get one?(Id problt buy it frame only if possible)
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I have a GT with vertical dropouts that im thinking about building up. But, eccentric hubs are freakin expensive. But, I would be interested in purchasing a track GT too if anyone knows a dealer. That is if they are still made.
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Cool pics! Man, those bikes are beyond old skool! Pre-historic even! That's like Grandpa's ride! Very interesting!
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I don't think the GT track frames are still being made. But I have seen a good number on ebay over the past couple of months.
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new Colin Laing frame pic
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I thought of something..I remember when NASHBAR had frames with the triangle and I wasn't to keen on them..

hey what you hate then you like now..go figure

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