Is being a brand junkie a bad thing?
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If brand A holds up over a period of time, with similar stresses, longer than brand B, how is that subjective? If you take price out of the equation (I'll admit, I am fortunate enough to be able to do this), you are left with a pretty easy-to-interpret quality comparison.
Regarding how you use "Price": Maybe you mean Relative Price?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price#Price_and_Value
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price#Price_and_Value
In that equation Value = Benefits / Cost, I don't really care what the value of Cost is, as long as it's below a certain threshold (relative price-cap). Therefore it just becomes Value = Benefits. Rapha has a lot of benefits (including everything I listed in my original reply), therefore it wins out.
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Developed - Advanced or elaborated to a specified degree
Invented- Create or design (something that has not existed before); be the originator of
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Thomson and Chrome.
The seatpost and stems of Thomson are awesome looking and work just as well. I think the setback one is ugly as hell, if I wanted a seatpost with that I'd get a miche supertype
my chrome knickers are my favorite pants to cycle in. i keep waiting for the true shorts to go on sale. like both of my bags as well, especially the massive double strap one I use now. The shoes aren't my favorite though, they're too wide for anyone who likes a normal size strap gap (probably fine clipless) and the lowtops have heel slippage. pants and bags = A+ tho
I'm bordering on being a Cinelli fanboy with how much I enjoy riding my Mash versus previous aluminum frames I've been on. I started looking at cinelli road bikes just because of this.
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universal cycles - these guys are so awesome to deal with
retro-gression - it's scrod!
The seatpost and stems of Thomson are awesome looking and work just as well. I think the setback one is ugly as hell, if I wanted a seatpost with that I'd get a miche supertype
my chrome knickers are my favorite pants to cycle in. i keep waiting for the true shorts to go on sale. like both of my bags as well, especially the massive double strap one I use now. The shoes aren't my favorite though, they're too wide for anyone who likes a normal size strap gap (probably fine clipless) and the lowtops have heel slippage. pants and bags = A+ tho
I'm bordering on being a Cinelli fanboy with how much I enjoy riding my Mash versus previous aluminum frames I've been on. I started looking at cinelli road bikes just because of this.
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universal cycles - these guys are so awesome to deal with
retro-gression - it's scrod!
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Value is thus subjective
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Yeah, I'm vaguely familiar with the story. And, of course, there are always two sides. Specialized won the lawsuit and only asked for $1 in damages.
Didn't Campy that sue FSA for falsely advertising that their cranks were lighter than Campy's? ...and they won. I don't think they lost any fans.
Business is business.
Didn't Campy that sue FSA for falsely advertising that their cranks were lighter than Campy's? ...and they won. I don't think they lost any fans.
Business is business.
Specalized asked for royalties on every bike that volagi sold, they were only awarded $1 because the judge threw out 8 out of 9 of the claims that specalized made. I'm a big fan of specalized saddles and a couple other products they make. To me though, this whole lawsuit business seemed like they were just trying to stifle competition rather than protect intellectual property.
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https://velonews.competitor.com/2012/...lized-1_203443
Specalized asked for royalties on every bike that volagi sold, they were only awarded $1 because the judge threw out 8 out of 9 of the claims that specalized made. I'm a big fan of specalized saddles and a couple other products they make. To me though, this whole lawsuit business seemed like they were just trying to stifle competition rather than protect intellectual property.
Specalized asked for royalties on every bike that volagi sold, they were only awarded $1 because the judge threw out 8 out of 9 of the claims that specalized made. I'm a big fan of specalized saddles and a couple other products they make. To me though, this whole lawsuit business seemed like they were just trying to stifle competition rather than protect intellectual property.
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Painfully average.
I try to be as utilitarian as possible. I also look for what is the better price to quality ratio in terms of my purchases. Unless it's Dave Scrod. That man can have all of my munzees.
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Sigh.
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Yes, thank you for clarifying.
Price is objective.
Value is subjective.
Quality is technically objective, but this can have very little to do with perceived value.
Also, I am completely and utterly amused at the side discussion on the origins of Merino wool.
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Price is objective.
Value is subjective.
Quality is technically objective, but this can have very little to do with perceived value.
Also, I am completely and utterly amused at the side discussion on the origins of Merino wool.
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In my eyes and looser uses, invented and developed are the same to me. This is an internet forum, not an international critique of english language and usage.. I don't like to be wrong but I am. You win.
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Pot calls kettle black. What's in a name? Do you want more stupid and possibly irrelevant terms of phrases, or should I just STFU?
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I only skimmed the earlier pages of this thread, but I saw this thread when it was first posted and I ****ing knew carleton would have a field day on this one.
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Painfully average.
The only thing wrong with them is that their quality is generally not consistent (some **** may be good, some **** may be complete *******) and some believe their business practices are total garbage.
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Stems and Seatposts it's a tie between Thomson and 3T (for new stuff) and Velo Orange and Nitto (for classic looking bikes)
Handlebars its 3T for road and Nitto for bullhorns
Rims are Mavic
Bar tape is Fizik Microtex for bullhorns and Lizardskins for road bars
Tires are Continental and Vittoria
Cycle computer is Garmin
I guess I don't have a written on stone preference for the rest of components..
Handlebars its 3T for road and Nitto for bullhorns
Rims are Mavic
Bar tape is Fizik Microtex for bullhorns and Lizardskins for road bars
Tires are Continental and Vittoria
Cycle computer is Garmin
I guess I don't have a written on stone preference for the rest of components..
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And for Carleton:
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I definitely want to put my word in, even if it fuels the flames.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with liking a brand if you like what they do, what they make, and what they represent.
Before the fixed gear fad, there was Campy fanatics, and Merckx people, and shimano, and SRAM was considered shiet back in the day but you get my drift.
And then MASH happened, and then Indonesia, and hipsters, etc
They didn't ruin it for anyone or anything except maybe carleton. I'm still going to like the things I like for the reasons that I do, and that's the end of it.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with liking a brand if you like what they do, what they make, and what they represent.
Before the fixed gear fad, there was Campy fanatics, and Merckx people, and shimano, and SRAM was considered shiet back in the day but you get my drift.
And then MASH happened, and then Indonesia, and hipsters, etc
They didn't ruin it for anyone or anything except maybe carleton. I'm still going to like the things I like for the reasons that I do, and that's the end of it.