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Old 12-19-04, 06:06 PM   #1
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tires?

hey, just wondering what everyone likes as far as tires go...i recently purchased vittoria kevlars, and thought that the kevlar would be a long lasting tire...but they have not really held up to work like i thought they would, other messengers here seem to share my opinion.
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i've been on conti gatorskins for a few months and i like them.
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I've got some Maxxis on now that seem to be doing ok.
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i've been on conti gatorskins for a few months and i like them.
YES. Conti Ultra Gator Skins are the best overall best value I have found.
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Conti Gatorskins for me as well. I was flatting out every few weeks (damn south philly construction). Since I got my gatorskins I have not had a flat yet, its been a few months. Also, they allow for really long skids.... which is just a little added benefit.
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Conti Gatorskins for me as well. I was flatting out every few weeks (damn south philly construction). Since I got my gatorskins I have not had a flat yet, its been a few months. Also, they allow for really long skids.... which is just a little added benefit.
They will flat. However not near as often. And they will take a bunch of punishment. One trick I have learned is to pick the foreign objects out of the rubber after every ride. I tend to pick up glass mostly. If the objects stays in it willeventually erode the protection and get your tube. This techniques works extremely well for me and just takes a few minutes.

I just learned from another post that the Ultra Gator Skin now comes in a folding kevlar version which is only 230 grams (700 x 23c) vs the 280 gram wire bead version. I am ordering a pair.
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Old 12-19-04, 09:27 PM   #7
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I'm a big fan of the Specialized Armadillo. Hold up really well to skidding and last about 3 times longer than other tires I've used.

They suck in the wet though, still ride with them but you have to take it a little easier. Still they're durabilty is hard to beat and only had two punctures this year; both large metal staples that would have probably done any tire in.
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I'm a big fan of the Specialized Armadillo. Hold up really well to skidding and last about 3 times longer than other tires I've used. They suck in the wet though, still ride with them but you have to take it a little easier..
i thought they were "stickier" in wet conditions?... oh well..

anyone have suggestions for good tires that come in 650 size?
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i really like vredestein fortezzas, continental attack/force, and continental sprinters.
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I just got some Hutchinsons from Nashbar for about 5 bucks apiece. I don't know how well they'll work yet, but I thought for 5 bucks I can't go wrong.
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I just learned from another post that the Ultra Gator Skin now comes in a folding kevlar version which is only 230 grams (700 x 23c) vs the 280 gram wire bead version. I am ordering a pair.
If you have extra cash you can also look at the more upscale "Grand Prix 4-Season" version.
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I just got some Hutchinsons from Nashbar for about 5 bucks apiece. I don't know how well they'll work yet, but I thought for 5 bucks I can't go wrong.
Put some liners in those and you got some no-guilt urban assault tires.
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Do you have tubulars or clinchers? If you stated it I didn't see it.

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i thought they were "stickier" in wet conditions?... oh well..
so did I!
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so did I!
Offhand, I'd expect "tougher" rubber to be less sticky. Of course its possible they could add an outer layer of grippy rubber outside a though rubber core...
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I am going to try the Continental Ultra Gatorskin Folding. For years, my standard tire has been their Grand Prix 3000. But they last me ~2,000 miles...then I start getting flats.

The Grand Prix 4-Season has a kevlar reinforced sidewall, but not a kevlar belt like the Ultra Gatorskin; so it seems the UG is more puncture resistant.
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I think the conti gatorskins are way overrated. I had a pair. The rear had little chunks coming out of it I had 2 flats within 3 months and then this piece of glass went right through it, leaving a little hole. I booted it with some thin plastic but the hole kept getting bigger. It grew to about an inch at which point it was unrideable. Contacted conti about this - no response. Currently riding a Vittoria Randonneur in the back. Double belted! Supertough and heavy as hell but rides so much nices than a gator. Used it for a week now. I'll be back with a detailed review after a month or two. Armadillos seem to work really well too.
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Old 12-21-04, 11:35 AM   #19
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I'm running the Vredestein Fortezzas in a 650x23 on my Slingshot and really like them. They've held up to the occasional glass splatter without an evidence of the meeting. The 650c Bontragers are also supposed to be a nice tire and probably cheaper thatn the Fortezzas.

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anyone have suggestions for good tires that come in 650 size?
you can get Conti GP3000's in 650.
Performance always seems to have the 650's on sale for really cheap.
http://www.performancebike.com/shop/...&estore_ID=242
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I think the conti gatorskins are way overrated...
I'll second that.
I started riding fixed on gatorskins and within the first week of commuting, I had a flat. I was averaging about 2 flats every 3-4 weeks... got fed up and put some liners in there . After the liners were installed, I never flatted again. Unfortunately, I wore out those gatorskins kinda quick. Now i ride armadillos...
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I've been through quite a few kinds.

My conditions: Chicago - busy city streets, ride through a lot of industrial areas (photo excursions and such) and quite a few non-maintained streets (potholes, bumpy ride, etc).

Continental 1000 (lowest one they have):
Got two flats in three weeks. Not so good. They felt decent though. More tread on them than the ...

Continental 2000 (next one up):
Ripped a one inch gash on the second day I had it, from a rock while going through a rough patch in an industrial area. Sidewalls are thin so it wasn't a surprise. They have slight tread on the corners, but the middle is bald. They felt smooth though not as grippy.

Got tired of those, so I asked for some suggestions in this thread: Tires - a survey of sorts.

At the recommendation of isotopesope, I picked up some Vredestein Fortezza's.

Vredestein Fortezza:
Perhaps the best tire I've ever ridden. I bought a spare set within a week of riding them since I got them in blue and on sale at Performance. I can feel the bike accelerate with them - a nice grip. They feel smooth but not in that "soft" way, with just the right amount of toughness when inflated properly. Low, low rolling resistance.

However, there's a downside. After riding them heavily this summer, I picked up staples, and other metal debris from roadside construction and such and flatted them often. One week inside of putting the brand new set on, I got a flat so I decided that I had to pick up a mroe durable tire...

Continental GatorSkins:
Got them at a steal (was thinking about Armadillos as well) so I decided to give them a shot.

They felt completely different after the Fortezza's. Not grippy, but tough and hard. Not quite bad though feel-wise. However, rolling resistance felt high - I felt as if I had to pedal harder to get further. The first two days of riding them broke me and I switched back to the Fortezza's - a mix n match of the good tires from the first and second set.

I dropped the gearing (52x18) on the old bike to a lower one (46x18) and tried them again. This time, they felt good. I recently just put them on the new bike (48x16) and they feel really good now. They're certainly "stickier" but they're tough and I've purposely ridden them through glass and heavy industrial corridors just to see if they're really that good. After four months of rain, a bit of indian summer, a little snow, they've held up amazingly well. No flats so far.

While I'd love to ride Fortezza's, in Chicago and with the areas I ride through, it's just not reliable - the GatorSkins have proven themselves. Another caveat - I check my air pressure religiously and keep them inflated in their proper range.
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right now on my converted fixie i am riding the 27" bontrager race lite hardcase tires and i have not had any problems with them at all. in my neighborhood you are more likely to ride on broken glass than pavement. not to mention i have taken this bike all over the place, cobblestone roads, potholes, off/on curbs, offroad on some fairly rough trails, etc... i only actually got them because i tried to go the cheap route and buy some 5 buck tires at the local family dept. store but they don't stock the 27" tires anymore! so i had to run over to the nearest bike store which pretty much only sells trek/bontrager. i am glad that i had to end up doing that, now!
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If you have extra cash you can also look at the more upscale "Grand Prix 4-Season" version.
I have tried the 4 season tire and did not care for it. Technically do not know why I say that but just gut feeling. One thing I remember was the 4 season was very difficult to get back on the rim. That last 6 inches was a bear and especially bad in colder weather.
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I've been through quite a few kinds.

My conditions: Chicago - busy city streets, ride through a lot of industrial areas (photo excursions and such) and quite a few non-maintained streets (potholes, bumpy ride, etc).

Continental 1000 (lowest one they have):
Got two flats in three weeks. Not so good. They felt decent though. More tread on them than the ...

Continental 2000 (next one up):
Ripped a one inch gash on the second day I had it, from a rock while going through a rough patch in an industrial area. Sidewalls are thin so it wasn't a surprise. They have slight tread on the corners, but the middle is bald. They felt smooth though not as grippy.

Got tired of those, so I asked for some suggestions in this thread: Tires - a survey of sorts.

At the recommendation of isotopesope, I picked up some Vredestein Fortezza's.

Vredestein Fortezza:
Perhaps the best tire I've ever ridden. I bought a spare set within a week of riding them since I got them in blue and on sale at Performance. I can feel the bike accelerate with them - a nice grip. They feel smooth but not in that "soft" way, with just the right amount of toughness when inflated properly. Low, low rolling resistance.

However, there's a downside. After riding them heavily this summer, I picked up staples, and other metal debris from roadside construction and such and flatted them often. One week inside of putting the brand new set on, I got a flat so I decided that I had to pick up a mroe durable tire...

Continental GatorSkins:
Got them at a steal (was thinking about Armadillos as well) so I decided to give them a shot.

They felt completely different after the Fortezza's. Not grippy, but tough and hard. Not quite bad though feel-wise. However, rolling resistance felt high - I felt as if I had to pedal harder to get further. The first two days of riding them broke me and I switched back to the Fortezza's - a mix n match of the good tires from the first and second set.

I dropped the gearing (52x18) on the old bike to a lower one (46x18) and tried them again. This time, they felt good. I recently just put them on the new bike (48x16) and they feel really good now. They're certainly "stickier" but they're tough and I've purposely ridden them through glass and heavy industrial corridors just to see if they're really that good. After four months of rain, a bit of indian summer, a little snow, they've held up amazingly well. No flats so far.

While I'd love to ride Fortezza's, in Chicago and with the areas I ride through, it's just not reliable - the GatorSkins have proven themselves. Another caveat - I check my air pressure religiously and keep them inflated in their proper range.
I have had at least 5 pair of gatorskins and each time I put on a brand new set they feel sluggish and resistant to rolling. It only takes a few days riding for this feeling to go away and they develop a harder faster feel. I guess the newnest just wears off.

Absntr - your test was a good one. i am anxious to get the new gatorskin with a folding kevlar bead. It is a much lighter tire at 230 g vs 280 g. That should make a noticable difference.
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