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Old 04-06-12, 02:08 PM   #1
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U-Lock Comparison - New Lock on Market

So this new lock called the Blackburn Folsom Compact came out and it features a hexagonal bar along with a dual bolt system while the Kryptonite Evolution Mini still has a single but it potentially could be of harder metal, it's also slightly smaller.

I can get the Folsom for $33 vs $40 for the Evolution.

http://www.kryptonitelock.com/produc...=1000&pid=1100

http://www.blackburndesign.com/locks/folsom-u-lock-368

I ride a 52cm track frame so I don't think size will be an issue for either. What do you guys think is better? My bike is worth about $250.
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Oh, okay.
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Old 04-06-12, 02:17 PM   #3
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Yes, exactly. Certainly I would.
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If it doesn't have a combination dial, it's not worth ****.
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So is this the let's make weak jokes against the new guy part? At least try to actually make it funny instead of embarrassing yourself.

That Blackburn is a newer lock so there isn't much I can look up on my own.
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If your first post contains links to products for sale, you're probably not going to get a good reaction.

Use your brain. Maybe your first thread should have been introductory? You could have told us about your bike, how you ride and where you generally lock it up and then we could have made recommendations for you.

Instead, you made what appears to be a shill thread.
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Hexagonal Shackle Design
Prevents the shackle from spinning, effectively doubling its resistance to cutting and leverage attacks.
I'm curious how this is supposed to work.

Op, I'm sure you will be fine with either lock if you lock up well. I have a Kryptonite mini because easy to carry around, yet still able to lock both my wheels to a post.
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If your first post contains links to products for sale, you're probably not going to get a good reaction.

Use your brain. Maybe your first thread should have been introductory? You could have told us about your bike, how you ride and where you generally lock it up and then we could have made recommendations for you.

Instead, you made what appears to be a shill thread.
I've been lurking here forever and I wanted some genuine advice since the Blackburn lock looks nicer to me but I'm not sure about the quality of the metal and such. My links don't contain any referrals and I'm posting the actual manufacturers links instead of a regular online store. I just want to know which lock is superior.

You think if I was marketing I'd market both companies equally with a brand new account. Who isn't using their brain here?

Anyway, to start fresh. I ride a 2011 Cannondale CAAD10 for my Roadie and I have a 2008 Fuji Track Fixie for general riding. My primary place I lock up is at college so that's why I wanted something beefy. I wanted a small lock because of weight and to reduce leverage.

Thanks anyway.

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I think its because the hexagonal design prevents spinning after you cut one side so you have to actually cut both ends to get it off. However I just saw that the Kryptonite had a L shaped end that goes into the lock so that should pretty much serve the same purpose. I'm still confused.
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I don't know anything about the Blackburn lock, but I've been really happy about my Kryptonite Evolution Mini. It's small enough to carry comfortably over distance, and I haven't had any trouble locking it to stuff. The Blackburn looks nice too, but there's a reason that the Evolution is the go-to lock for many cyclists.
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That wasn't so hard, now was it?

In all likelihood the two locks you're looking at are going to perform about the same. I'd recommend the Kryptonite because it's a known entity with a good history. The Blackburn doesn't seem to do anything revolutionary that would make me want to purchase something that doesn't have any real testing history that I can find.

The anti-rotation thing doesn't really matter, you only need to cut a U-Lock in one place on the shackle and it's compromised.
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Blackburn.... that name..... when the question of quality comes up for that brand; i have nightmares of my now rage obliterated blackburn pump....
On the other hand, the kryptonite mini is a proven lock from a long proven brand through.

Another option you should look into is the bulldog mini.
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Well thanks all, glad we could talk normal after all.

I just bought the Kryptonite, might as well go for the tried and true since it's pretty light anyway. I realize it's the classic hipster lock but oh well.
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I'm curious how this is supposed to work.

Op, I'm sure you will be fine with either lock if you lock up well. I have a Kryptonite mini because easy to carry around, yet still able to lock both my wheels to a post.
Do you also carry a cable?
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Do you also carry a cable?
This.
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blackburn locks on both sides and hex doesnt allow it to spin when cut (so you cant twist it to unlock once cut you have to bendthe U to get the bike out)

the cheaper krypto only locks on one side so one cut and the thief can unhook the other end

i use the Sing Sing. its small but big enough for some of the thicker posts in DTLA to lock to
i use with a cable to the front wheel

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Blackburn.... that name..... when the question of quality comes up for that brand; i have nightmares of my now rage obliterated blackburn pump....
This. I won't buy blackburn again after how terrible my blackburn fleas were. I even bought 3 of those POS
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I'm cheap, so I'd go with the Blackburn. Locks are locks and I know of others that had their bikes stolen regardless of brand & model. If a thief or the local municipal government wants your bike bad enough they'll get/remove it by any means necessary. I was able to get the 31" Onguard chain & lock for $ 28 delivered, nobody has ever stolen any of my bikes when I lock it up and that goes for even using a cheapo $ 15 Chinese u-lock off ebay. I don't leave the bike out at night or out on a patio so that might make a huge difference in whether anyone would even make an attempt at the theft. I also am close at hand when I lock it after a commute, just don't want to call the cops, fill out an obligatory report and still wind up having to walk home or ride a bus, knowing there's a high probability I won't ever see the bike again in my lifetime. I guess maybe a thief would look at a Kryptonite lock and respect it more because the name is prominently displayed ? I think maybe a thief looks at the prize for being successful and weighs the effort, risk & reward ? Just because they are going to have to use a certain method & tools anyway to defeat the lock.

Just to give you a better idea, my friend in South Beach had an Electra stolen using a Kryptonite chain lock. He bought a Micargi to replace it and nobody has stolen it, yet a thief stole his front wheel and was nice enough to leave the bald tire, worn out hub , semi bent wheel they replaced that day/night. Yeah, I know what a guy, a thief with a conscious ?

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I'm curious how this is supposed to work.

Op, I'm sure you will be fine with either lock if you lock up well. I have a Kryptonite mini because easy to carry around, yet still able to lock both my wheels to a post.
I think I get it.

Assumption 1: The blackburn lock separates into two pieces entirely, similar to krypto U locks.
Assumption 2: The blackburn lock has a locking mechanism at both ends, similar to the NYFU lock


Basically, the blackburn has hex sockets at the lock portion and has locks on both ends, like the krypto NYFU locks. This probably means that their lock design can be forced open if the cam is pushed upon. This also, probably, means, that the key only opens the lock and the locking mechanism is spring loaded to the closed position.

The krypto evo lock, on the other hand, only has a locking mechanism in one end, while the other side is just held in like a wedge. This means that the 'U' portion only needs to be cut in one spot to loosen the wedge side open. Alternatively, a bottle jack type device can be used to pry open the wedge side, but that's pretty hard on the mini evo.

The krypto NYFU goes one up, and has locks on both ends, like the blackburn design, but the bonus is, that the locking mechanism cannot be opened by just "twisting" on the cam. The lock has to be in the 'open' position for the 'U' portion to be released.


Basically, what they are saying, I would guess, is that it is easy to lock up your bike at work and totally forget the keys at home.
You can't even lock up your bike with krypto evo or NYFU U locks if you forget the keys at home.
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This. I won't buy blackburn again after how terrible my blackburn fleas were. I even bought 3 of those POS
My blackburn rechargeable rear light died in 2 months. Never again will I buy another blackburn product.
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Do you also carry a cable?
Only within the last year, I had gone 3 years before without a cable and could still secure both wheels with a single lock. Even now I dont always take the cable.
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It brings nothing to the table that would make me switch from Kryptonite.
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If you want awesome security get an Abus X, best U Lock there is.

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I've heard a lot of good things about Abus locks.
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