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    New Triple Triangle Frame

    Anyone seen this yet? It was in an add on Facebook....

    http://www.iminusd.com/breakbrake17-transfer-frame/
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    Actually, it's two coffee cans with a honeydew melon balancing on top. ;)

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    Yes we have. There was a thread about it around here somewhere, the company is a BMX company correct?
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    Oops....that's what I get for not searching first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrodzilla View Post
    Actually, it's two coffee cans with a honeydew melon balancing on top. ;)

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    trip tri w/ downward sloping tt doesn't look the best, imo.
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    Ahhhh... more copies of stuff that used to be coveted years ago.

    Why be original when you can just copy stuff that people used to like?

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    Looks like the GT track frame...

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    I think the frame looks sick.

    Any word on price?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pvn.23 View Post
    Looks like the GT track frame...
    Agreed, but for that price I can acquire the frame it was based on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carleton View Post
    Ahhhh... more copies of stuff that used to be coveted years ago.

    Why be original when you can just copy stuff that people used to like?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Jarmusch
    Nothing is original. Steal from anywhere that resonates with inspiration or fuels your imagination. Devour old films, new films, music, books, paintings, photographs, poems, dreams, random conversations, architecture, bridges, street signs, trees, clouds, bodies of water, light and shadows. Select only things to steal from that speak directly to your soul. If you do this, your work (and theft) will be authentic. Authenticity is invaluable; originality is nonexistent. And donít bother concealing your thievery ó celebrate it if you feel like it. In any case, always remember what Jean-Luc Godard said: ďItís not where you take things from ó itís where you take them to.Ē
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    Quote Originally Posted by dddavid View Post
    But that didn't "take" the design anywhere. They just straight up copied it and are selling it.

    They weren't "inspired". They wish they had made the frame and had the rights to sell it...so they made the frame and are selling it without the rights.

    The last 10 years of "inspiration" has been worse than Pop Art.

    - Take something old that was unique and that people liked
    - Copy it
    - Change the color (or not)
    - Hype it up on the internet
    - ???
    - Profit

    And the ??? is really:
    - Sell it to people who have been primed to like certain things for no other reason than that they "should" like it because of some unknown to them aesthetic that they don't have or even "get". But, by buying said item, the not only prove that they "get it" they also have "it". (But they still never "got it". But don't tell their friends that.)


    The inspiration:




    The problem is that it is ridiculously easy to copy, produce, and distribute any product today. So, it happens.

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    But what if I really want a high quality GT triple triangle, but want to buy new? Instead of settling with their current selections (Gutterball lol), I would like a frame of comparable geometry but with high quality tubing. Unless I can stumble upon a NOS goldmine of Pulses and GTBs, I would be willing throw my money at some Taiwanese company that understands US marketing trends better than some US companies.

    I don't really care where the creative inspiration came from. Its not like I'll feel it when I ride the thing. Or feel it when I'm soaking in the envy of having a sweet frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dddavid View Post
    ALSO...Jim Jarmusch’s Golden Rules were about Directing MOVIES. Not about product design.

    In literature there are 7 basic plots:

    man vs. nature
    man vs. the environment
    man vs. machines/technology
    man vs. the supernatural
    man vs. self
    man vs. god/religion


    These can be expounded into these 36:

    Supplication (in which the Supplicant must beg something from Power in authority)
    Deliverance
    Crime Pursued by Vengeance
    Vengeance taken for kindred upon kindred
    Pursuit
    Disaster
    Falling Prey to Cruelty of Misfortune
    Revolt
    Daring Enterprise
    Abduction
    The Enigma (temptation or a riddle)
    Obtaining
    Enmity of Kinsmen
    Rivalry of Kinsmen
    Murderous Adultery
    Madness
    Fatal Imprudence
    Involuntary Crimes of Love (example: discovery that one has married one’s mother, sister, etc.)
    Slaying of a Kinsman Unrecognized
    Self-Sacrificing for an Ideal
    Self-Sacrifice for Kindred
    All Sacrificed for Passion
    Necessity of Sacrificing Loved Ones
    Rivalry of Superior and Inferior
    Adultery
    Crimes of Love
    Discovery of the Dishonor of a Loved One
    Obstacles to Love
    An Enemy Loved
    Ambition
    Conflict with a God
    Mistaken Jealousy
    Erroneous Judgement
    Remorse
    Recovery of a Lost One
    Loss of Loved Ones.


    That's what Jarmusch was talking about when he says, "Nothing is original."

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMJ View Post
    But what if I really want a high quality GT triple triangle, but want to buy new? Instead of settling with their current selections (Gutterball lol), I would like a frame of comparable geometry but with high quality tubing. Unless I can stumble upon a NOS goldmine of Pulses and GTBs, I would be willing throw my money at some Taiwanese company that understands US marketing trends better than some US companies.

    I don't really care where the creative inspiration came from. Its not like I'll feel it when I ride the thing. Or feel it when I'm soaking in the envy of having a sweet frame.
    What if I want a 1973 Porsche 911 RS? It was only made in 1973 and 1974.

    What do I do? Should a Taiwanese company be allowed to make replicas inspired by that car?


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    I think the "why fix what isn't broken" factor comes into play here too. I think innovation on a great frame for innovations sake is trying to change something that's already good. It's not like we have a problem with a million people making a bike that is shaped like this:



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    Quote Originally Posted by GMJ View Post
    But what if I really want a high quality GT triple triangle, but want to buy new? Instead of settling with their current selections (Gutterball lol), I would like a frame of comparable geometry but with high quality tubing. Unless I can stumble upon a NOS goldmine of Pulses and GTBs, I would be willing throw my money at some Taiwanese company that understands US marketing trends better than some US companies.

    I don't really care where the creative inspiration came from. Its not like I'll feel it when I ride the thing. Or feel it when I'm soaking in the envy of having a sweet frame.
    This is what I mean when I wrote:
    The problem is that it is ridiculously easy to copy, produce, and distribute any product today. So, it happens.
    People want. People feel like they deserve to have, no matter what.

    That combined with the fact this it is now easy to produce means that it happens.

    And what's the effect?

    The consumer gets something close to what he wants...but it's never what he really wants. And the value and prestige of the original rare bird are diminished.


    Want. Want. Want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carleton View Post
    ALSO...Jim Jarmuschís Golden Rules were about Directing MOVIES. Not about product design.
    ...
    That's what Jarmusch was talking about when he says, "Nothing is original."
    Sure, specifically he's talking about movies. But I think in general he's talking about ideas.

    Quote Originally Posted by carleton View Post
    What if I want a 1973 Porsche 911 RS? It was only made in 1973 and 1974.

    What do I do? Should a Taiwanese company be allowed to make replicas inspired by that car?
    I want one too! Maybe Ruf will make one for us?

    But perhaps the whole replica/kit car market is more relevant to this discussion.

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    Are you saying it's a copy because it has the triple triangle design or because it is actually a copy of the GTB or Pulse (same dimensions/geometry)?

    If it's the former I guess we should start flaming Geekhouse, Yamaguchi and plenty of other high end builders for using triple triangle designs and for their lack of ingenuity. Right?
    // yummygooey

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    Quote Originally Posted by dddavid View Post
    Sure, specifically he's talking about movies. But I think in general he's talking about ideas.



    I want one too! Maybe Ruf will make one for us?

    But perhaps the whole replica/kit car market is more relevant to this discussion.
    I consider RUF a custom shop, not mass producing (or small batch producing) a replica.

    RUFs are built from unmarked Porsche bodies and chassis. When a chassis arrives, RUF builds their own independent work into the car. Because RUF installs many of their own-made parts (not to be confused with badge engineering), the company is recognized as a manufacturer by the German government.

    Quote Originally Posted by yummygooey View Post
    Are you saying it's a copy because it has the triple triangle design or because it is actually a copy of the GTB or Pulse (same dimensions/geometry)?

    If it's the former I guess we should start flaming Geekhouse, Yamaguchi and plenty of other high end builders for using triple triangle designs and for their lack of ingenuity. Right?
    It's a copy of the GTB design but using a modern fork.

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    I guess this is a copy of the USA GT you posted as well?



    And this Land Shark?



    Or this Colossi?



    I don't think a triple triangle design qualifies it as a "copy"...

    That's like saying Bianchi Pista Concepts are copies of Leader 725TR's, which are copies of older Fuji Track Pros, which are obviously just copies of Visps.
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    I recall you saying nice things about the Affinity Kissena, isn't that just a copy of other popular track frames? Just curious why you may see that differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ddeadserious View Post
    I recall you saying nice things about the Affinity Kissena, isn't that just a copy of other popular track frames? Just curious why you may see that differently.

    In terms of a track racing bike, it's a good bike. I don't like the fact that it's an unabashed copy of Mr. Tiemeyer's designs. I think that I've also mentioned that, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yummygooey View Post
    I guess this is a copy of the USA GT you posted as well?



    And this Land Shark?



    Or this Colossi?



    I don't think a triple triangle design qualifies it as a "copy"...

    That's like saying Bianchi Pista Concepts are copies of Leader 725TR's, which are copies of older Fuji Track Pros, which are obviously just copies of Visps.

    Which came first?

    If they came after the GTB...then they are copies.

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    You guys can whine all you want. It won't change the fact that these fixie boutiques are making copies of bikes and taking your money for them.

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    Oh carleton...
    // yummygooey

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    Quote Originally Posted by yummygooey View Post
    Oh carleton...

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