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Old 04-30-12, 05:56 PM   #1
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Frames

If you were building a mileage-based setup, which frame would you go for?

Surly Steamroller
Bareknuckle


Remember, this isn't about short sprints or velodrome riding, this is about putting in 50-150 milers on a bike designed exclusively around being a 48x15 roadworthy pig.
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Old 04-30-12, 06:04 PM   #2
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I own a steamroller and I really think I could ride it as far as I needed to without any pain or problems. I never rode a bk so I can't comment on that frame but I only my Surly. Most comfortable bike i've ever ridden i'll never sell it.
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Old 04-30-12, 06:06 PM   #3
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Yeah, I traded a black BK I had earlier this year because it wasn't the right size for me. I am trying to come up with a good "travel" bike that I can put miles on and still have fun. I have the Handsome Devil which is tits, but I want something that is A. designed for fixed-gear (trackdrops) and B. Not such an aggressive geometry that I can't carry around 30 lbs. in my bags.
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The Bareknuckle is the opposite of what you want, but I'd choose it every time over the Steamroller.
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The Bareknuckle is the opposite of what you want, but I'd choose it every time over the Steamroller.
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Any bike that fits you well should be fine, I was trying to figure the same thing last year and my options were the Steamroller and the All-City Big Block.
I went for the Big Block based on the geometry, Surly's head tube seemed a tad short for my liking.
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Possibly the new Wabi Lightning?

http://www.wabicycles.com/Lightning-SE-offer.html
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I don't always post in your thread, but when I do I ask irrelevant questions.

Do those chain tensioners actually do anything on your devil?
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I'm assuming they help tension the chain.
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I've never seen them run on a bike with forward facing dropouts. I suppose my question should have been, do you feel they were a worthwhile purchase for your bike and would you recommend them to others?
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I'd go with the Steamroller because it's essentially the same geometry, cost & quality are similar & is name brand.
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I've never seen them run on a bike with forward facing dropouts. I suppose my question should have been, do you feel they were a worthwhile purchase for your bike and would you recommend them to others?
lots of steel road bikes have integrated screws that help you center the wheel and have a set position in the drop out.
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I know. But he's running what look like some type of MKS-style Chain Tensioner (similar to this). It can be seen in this picture:

http://www.pedalroom.com/p/handsome-...vil-4457_2.jpg

I've just never seen anyone use those with that style dropout and was curious if he found an advantage to doing so.
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I'd go with the Steamroller because it's essentially the same geometry, cost & quality are similar & is name brand.
What?

steep vs relaxed
$700 vs $420
dedacciai COM 12.5 cromo vs "surly" 4130 cromo
italian made vs taiwainese made

EAI carries a higher prestige than Surly, not sure what you're on about.

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I know. But he's running what look like some type of MKS-style Chain Tensioner (similar to this). It can be seen in this picture:

http://www.pedalroom.com/p/handsome-...vil-4457_2.jpg

I've just never seen anyone use those with that style dropout and was curious if he found an advantage to doing so.
ah, I misunderstood your question
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doesnt that tensioner fit between the frame and the axel and a lip pulls on the back of the dropout to tension the chain? Could still work just fine.
Pulled a wheel a few time on my Surly cross-check after some hasty flat changes so i can see how it may help.

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What?

Steep vs relaxed
$700 vs $420
dedacciai COM 12.5 cromo vs "surly" 4130 cromo
handmade vs not handmade

EAI carries a higher prestige than Surly, not sure what you're on about.
I'm just saying for the money, save the $ 280 on the frame and put that into components. After riding it 50+ miles the prestige of the frame wears off after the first mile(s) ? Ride is going to be contingent upon the seat, handle bars & grips, tires and air pressure, also how smooth the road is. They just paved the street with new asphalt after grading it down to dirt in front of my place, even a hi-ten wal-mart frame rides sweet on that.

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By prestige I meant better reputation, not ride quality(?). I was just pointing out how you said Surly was a household name (implying good quality). EAI actually makes higher quality products than compared to Surly. An Eddy Merckx or Serotta could be ridden thousands of miles and it damn sure will be more prestigious than someone's new Kilo TT.

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I'd go with the Steamroller because it's essentially the same geometry, cost & quality are similar & is name brand.
This is just silly. They are two entirely different frames and you've never ridden either one.
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I'd go with the Steamroller because it's essentially the same geometry, cost & quality are similar & is name brand.
A degree here and a centimeter there make quite a bit of difference.

So do materials.

And finish.

Unless you mean to tell me I should ditch my TET and keep my Kilo TT since they have essentially the same geometry, are both steel and Mercier is actually a more well-known brand.
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$420 for a Steamroller?


More like $369.
http://store.citygrounds.com/store/p...et-Meth-Teeth/
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I just did a quick google search. Either way cost is not "similar"
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Remember, this isn't about short sprints or velodrome riding, this is about putting in 50-150 milers on a bike designed exclusively around being a 48x15 roadworthy pig.
Just trying to understand this a bit. If you're not looking for a short sprint or short fast use then why choose something that has that geometry? Or low slung track bars?

Why not something more road oriented? You won't need a high BB, real short cranks, fast whippy handling, cramped cockpit, but could appreciate a road geometry even if its "race" oriented road.

I havent compared the geometry charts but thats the first thing in my mind.
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This is just silly. They are two entirely different frames and you've never ridden either one.
Have you fit this particular fellow's body ? Maybe the few degrees or millimeters on any of the dimensions and the Surly is more comfortable for him ? People come in all shapes and sizes. I mean we're talking about an inseam, body torso length, even arm length that varies. And tell me 50-150 mile ride that anyone is going to know the difference on 48/15 gearing ? I mean this is a long trip rider for 50-150 miles, it's not a few hundred or even kilo meter race on a velodrome or even on a rural paved street. I know Retrogression sells the EAI's, but what about the Dodeci Gara, Leader X Pedal Consumption or even a Toyo Godzilla at about the same price to + $ 100 more than a Bareknuckle. I guess you don't sell the Surly, so you're SOL on that sale. But I bet he might not be all that disappointed in the All City for about what he puts into a Surly frame ? Go one further, Bianchi super pista frame runs what and/or plus what the EAI's do too, depending upon where you shop ? All else being equal components wise and he can put a heck of a more comfortable seat under his butt and what is that worth ? Is it the difference in the frame pricing ? Most anything that is transportation is a system of the whole rather than just the frame. I know that you are very knowledgable and I respect that to a certain extent, but with all due respect what level rider is this fellow, maybe his legs and back are going to be screaming for mercy on any of them after riding those distances ?
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BTW, my bad on the cost, the Surly is a bargain in comparison. I posted that too hastily without proofreading. I stand though, that for value quality and intangibles, the Surly is still what I'd purchase of the two and then I'd put better components on the Surly and come up with a total sum of parts ride that would be preferrable to sinking all my money into a frame that has no suspension. I mean fatter 700c tires are going to offset any perception that one frame rides better than the other. I'd rather ride a touring/road geared bike that distance over a SS/FG track bike and "thenomad" comes out and suggests that in his post.
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