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Old 05-07-12, 02:02 PM   #1
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Need advise with headset, hubs and bottom bracket

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I'm fairly new to the bike scene and looking to get some advise from you guys. I'd like to get advise as to what are the most cost effective yet good quality brand headset, hubs and bottom bracket. I'm missing these parts from a frame I was given and would like to know what brands are best to choose from.

Any help would be appreciated.
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Hubs=formula
BB=spindle length depends on your crank you will be using
Headset=threaded?threadless?
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Thanks for the help. These are the specs they told I needed for the BB 68x110.5MM and the headset it is a threadless headset.
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Thanks for the help. These are the specs they told I needed for the BB 68x110.5MM and the headset it is a threadless headset.
What size headset? 1"? 1 1/8"?

Also, how are you just missing hubs? Do you have a pile of spokes and a couple hoops or what?
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Go with cartridge bearings on all 4. So at least total cartridges.
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If you're new, I actually recommend loose ball for everything. Yes, cartridge is easier maintenance-wise, but you'll learn how to maintenance your bike better if you know what all the little parts are doing. Most bike kitchens can teach you (or even you tube) on how to repack bearings. Also, personally I find that a properly packed looseball part spins a lot smoother than cartridge (ceramic bearings aside) ever would
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Not everyone wants to deal with that if they dont have to. Loose ball headsets are also arguably inferior to floating cartridge style headsets (a la Chris King) and needle bearing headsets

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Inferior how?

Yeah, its true, some people don't like to deal with it, but I hate seeing these professional cyclists training and not even knowing how to change a flat =.= soo in the case of a beginner, it's nice to train them up on anything maintenance related in the case they ever become pro or have to deal with it in the future whenever they reach the retrogrouch phase of cycling and wanting all matching Campy BB's on their 80's Masi Or if they start to really love working on bikes and decide to become a mechanic
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The headset sees a lot of impact and abuse, yet it is probably the component that gets the least attention. Loose ball, angular contact, bearings are well suited for it but ball bearings have small points of contact and can wear or damage races pretty easily - pitting and brinelling. Floating cartridges and needle bearings get rid of that problem. Needle bearings still require repacking like loose balls though. I'm just being nit picky though. I own a needle bearing headset from VO, it's cool.
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Not everyone wants to deal with that if they dont have to.
Hell, I'm a professional bike mechanic/shop owner and I don't put loose ball anything on my own bikes because I'd rather not deal with them.
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Mechanic ? Most of the wrenching on a bike is really considered being a technician ? There are frame builders, wheel builders and technicinans for pretty much everything else ?

Loose ball bearing, not a big deal, a caged ball bearing set takes a lot of the headache out of that. The more maintenance free though is the cleanest way to go.

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Mechanic ? Most of the wrenching on a bike is really considered being a technician ? There are frame builders, wheel builders and technicinans for pretty much everything else ?
What are you even saying?
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Just because you don't put it on your bike doesn't mean you won't have to help someone else who has it on their bike.
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What are you even saying?
That for 99% of most wrenching on a bike I'd hardly call anyone a mechanic. Installing a star nut is hardly rocket science. Not in the sense of what you'd take your car in to a mechanic for.
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Your ignorance astounds me.

I'm sure you can install a star nut and change a tire but can you rebuild a hydraulic fork or properly re-align a bent frame? How about threading a fork? Do you own the tools to face/chase a BB shell? I'd like to see you work at my shop for one week.

I guess schools like Barnett Bicycle Institute are just a farce. I mean, they're not even really teaching anything, right? What about shops who will only hire certified bike mechanics? What a crock!
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Just because you don't put it on your bike doesn't mean you won't have to help someone else who has it on their bike.

No where does he say he doesn't know how to work on them, just that he doesn't want to do it on his own bikes. Probably because he is tired of dealing with everyone else. Plus its just easier.
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No where does he say he doesn't know how to work on them, just that he doesn't want to do it on his own bikes. Probably because he is tired of dealing with everyone else. Plus its just easier.
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That for 99% of most wrenching on a bike I'd hardly call anyone a mechanic. Installing a star nut is hardly rocket science. Not in the sense of what you'd take your car in to a mechanic for.
Way to belittle a man's passion and profession.

You just lost all respect from me.
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No matter how many bearings I pack into people's hubs and BB's I still feel so good as I'm doing what I love to do, work on bikes! and I just feel like I'm doing something special for my bike, more like an intimate moment.
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I'm going even deeper into the headset thing.

While 1" and 1-1/8 have been covered,

If it is 1_1/8th is it an integrated or a zero stack headset both are known as internal headsets and the headtube id on the frame is usually bigger than what would be found with a traditional headset.

Zero stack: cups press into the frame, but no outside part of the cup and bearings are still in the cups that are hidden in the frame(aka no stack height.)

Integrated: cups are built into the frame, you just put the bearings into the frame.

If it's integrated, there are chances it is either one of two type of sealed cartridge bearing. Campy or Cane Creek.
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Way to belittle a man's passion and profession.

You just lost all respect from me.
I knew that someone would take offense to it, wasn't my intention, but it's true. As for working at Scrod's shop, Yeah there are things I'm not going to touch because I simply don't have the experience and/or patience to deal with them just the same as anyone else any more. But rebuilding a hydraulic fork, how much more difficult is that than rebuilding an automobile brake system master cylinder or drum wheel cylinders. Let's see, I've rebuilt carbs on cars & motorcycles. Rebuilt starters and alternators. I think owning an MGB and a couple of Fiats from the 70's that I've done my share of shade tree mechanics to get a car running again & home. Replaced McPherson strut cartridges on cars & motorcycles. Replaced steering components on recirculating ball steering systems (do they even make cars with that any more). Tie rods and steering linkage. I've even torn apart 4, 6 & 8 cylinder engines and rebuilt those from my HS days. One of the first cars I ever owned, the engine wasn't even in the car and was fully disassembled. Came in a box and read a Haynes Maintenance & Repair manual to put it back together. And so I'll take credit for also rebuilding the cylinder heads with those cars too. Then there are the CV joints and transmission seals on FWD 5 speed gearboxes. Replaced an AC system, compressor and vacuuated and recharged the system. Then there are the clutch systems I've dismantled and replaced. As for frame straightening, well you haven't really tried your hand at it until you've used a pulley cable winch and attached it to a tree and used the car to pull the frame back into position. Particularly proud of that one, a 72 MGB that was in a front end collision, the front end aligned and camber & caster, toe in & out aligned properly after the frame was straightened.

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I mean when Scrod himself tells you he doesn't install loose bearings to avoid dealing with them, tells me a sealed system is a disposable and replaceable component.

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Another tl;dr courtesy of fuji86.

I guess I'll close my shop because there's no such thing as a "bike mechanic" and it's not like I actually do anything anyway.
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Go ahead and mark all that down under "who gives a ****."

ETA: I'd just like to go ahead and retract that earlier comment up there because I just got done reading this thread.

Now that my stomach hurts from laughing, what I want to say instead is:

That's a lot of text for someone who couldn't figure out why track nuts are appropriate hardware for a fixed gear bicycle. Rebuilding an 8-cyclinder engine ain't got **** on mounting a wheel on a bicycle, apparently.


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