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Old 06-10-12, 09:55 PM   #1
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Dodici Gara or Cinelli Bolt

I am currently looking for an aluminium track frame and have narrowed down these 2 frames.This is not my first fixed gear bike as ive had surly steamroller in the past.Could anyone give their personal experience regarding these 2 frames?Thanks in advance
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How did you narrow down your choice to those two and what will you be using the bike for?

Also, are you talking about the Italian Gara or the one available in the US (distributed by Leader)?
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if it is for the street you should get the one that pleases you the most, you won't have any "advantage" with one or the other. both are awesome framesets.
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Both Dodici and Cinelli are Italian companies. However: Dodici is hand made in Italy, while Cinelli Bolt is your Taiwan frame (if you care about this stuff). Bolt looks cooler with that pursuit look, but it usually means an uncomfortable long distance riding or short seatpost (to compensate for the pursuit geometry)
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Actually as Scrod said, if the Gara is the US version distribuited by Leader then it is made in Taiwan too and the "pursuit" look of the Bolt is only aesthetic, it is not a real pursuit geometry and it's as uncomfortable as any track geo.
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How did you narrow down your choice to those two and what will you be using the bike for?

Also, are you talking about the Italian Gara or the one available in the US (distributed by Leader)?
I am from Malaysia and basically ive manage to get a used gara 2010(which is still italian made i believe) in good condition.Im planning to use this as a street bike(commuting,long distance riding).Ive narrowed down these 2 frames based on my budget and its availability over here.
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Personally, I'd go with the Gara - especially if it's one of the "real" Dodicis.
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Personally, I'd go with the Gara - especially if it's one of the "real" Dodicis.
The whole $700 Taiwanese made Dodici frame is news to me. For that price you can get a Taiwanese Cinelli frame or drop another $200 and buy a handmade LOW
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+$200+8 months.

I'd throw the cinelli viggo into the mix as well if it's not seeing the track, a bit more relaxed geo I think and just as much street cred.

lots of bolt believers around here now, it's not just pretty!

check out Pelizzoli too, if I wanted aluminum, it's where I'd go
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He said the Gara is used and the wait time for a new one is 8 weeks, not 8 months.
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oh I was referring to the guy suggesting he get a LOW
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Dodici Gara - If Italian made then it is a good choice
Bolt - Good choice but is more expensive than a Vigorelli
Vigo - Best cost x benefit, less expensive of the choices and just as nice but doesn't have too much street cred
Low - ****ty looking welds, lots of street cred, 8 months to get one
Pelizzoli - really custom made, italian, just as expensive as a Mash Histogram but wait times are LONG
Cervelo T1 - lots of street cred and cool looking, just as good as the others...
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But a T1 is 1200 big ones...
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oh I was referring to the guy suggesting he get a LOW
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But a T1 is 1200 big ones...
Pelizzoli and Low are out too then. I would go with that 2010 Gara that the OP mentioned.
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+$200+8 months.

I'd throw the cinelli viggo into the mix as well if it's not seeing the track, a bit more relaxed geo I think and just as much street cred.

lots of bolt believers around here now, it's not just pretty!

check out Pelizzoli too, if I wanted aluminum, it's where I'd go
Pelizolli and LOW definitely are way out of my budget.plus,i have to consider shipping and taxes
Have you ridden Dodici Gara btw?if yes, how do you compare to your bolt?
have you done any longer ride with bolt?
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just did a 55m ride on saturday with the bolt
never ridden a gara
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Dodici Gara - If Italian made then it is a good choice
Bolt - Good choice but is more expensive than a Vigorelli
Vigo - Best cost x benefit, less expensive of the choices and just as nice but doesn't have too much street cred
Low - ****ty looking welds, lots of street cred, 8 months to get one
Pelizzoli - really custom made, italian, just as expensive as a Mash Histogram but wait times are LONG
Cervelo T1 - lots of street cred and cool looking, just as good as the others...
I have a friend that just picked up one of these, this thing is definitely overkill for the street and is loads nicer than anything listed above it.
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Personally, I'd go with the Gara - especially if it's one of the "real" Dodicis.
scrod,have you ridden both?A friend says gara is more comfortable compare to the bolt because bolt have a tight geo.
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Lol I just noticed OP is the guy who wanted my Kagero. Small world.

BUY IT!
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scrod,have you ridden both?A friend says gara is more comfortable compare to the bolt because bolt have a tight geo.
I haven't ridden either for any great distance but I prefer the Gara's geo a lot more. It's still pretty tight but not as "aggressive", IMO.
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Lol I just noticed OP is the guy who wanted my Kagero. Small world.

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yeah, too bad the cost + shipping for your kagero are the same price for a new bolt from taiwan seller.
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yeah shipping out internationally is tricky. don't think it's ever worth it without someone losing out.
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