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Old 06-28-12, 12:25 PM   #1
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Sold a bike on craigslist, now the buyer is giving me problems...

well this is kind of OT since the bike i sold wasn't SS nor FG, but im just going to ask you guys anyway... So a couple days ago i sold an old steel motobecane roadbike on the cheap($80). The guy that bought it from me was hesitant on the sale, but took it on a test ride around the block, and then after debating with himself and making a call to a "cyclist that he knew" he decided to go through with the sale. Now he is calling back complaining how the bike isn't right for him, and how it doesn't fit him, and basically all these excuses of why he doesn't want it anymore. Now hes calling me a fraud, and basically just being very angry about it. Because this is a craigslist sale, there's really no return policy or anything, and he was satisfied with the bike at the time of sale, and took his own risk in buying it, i really don't have to deal with the crap he's giving me about it right? I know you guys are just well... a bunch of guys on the internet, and sure you guys might not know everything, but yeah... i need some input on this. Personally i think he should just man up, realize he bought the wrong bike, resell the bike, and then continue to look for a bike that "meets his needs"

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Base on the information which you claim above. You have stated " most of the rust it just surface rust, and nothing that is physically damaging on the frame", I brought the bike a bike shope. First thing he said was this bike has been in a huge accident and the frame + front fork is damaged. Which means you lied to me. This email can be and will be used as written documentation in a court of law as evidence. I later found that the back rim of the wheel is bent/warped. You've deliberately sold me a bad bike with false information which makes this a fraudulent sale. You and your parents will be sued by me given that you are only 16yrs old.

What i suggest you do is look up "small claims" and educate yourself. The company that I will hire will try to reach you to provide you with a court date. If however, you do not answer, they will most likely contact _______ and obtain your info there. Then contact your parents because you are still a minor.


You have this weekend to resolve this situation out of court because i'll have all my paper work done by monday.
It is no longer about the money, it is about teaching you a lesson for deceive innocent people.

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Old 06-28-12, 12:29 PM   #2
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Did you misrepresent anything? If not, and he is simply having buyers remorse; too bad, he can resell it. It sucks, but it's really not your problem that he has decided it's too big, or he doesn't like the color, etc. Craigslist an as-is type of site. You don't get to buy it and then return it if you decided you made a "bad" decision. If he wanted to buy something and try it for a few days and possibly return it, he should have bought it from a retailer. You are not a retailer and thus have no reason to uphold any kind of return policy.

Did you have any others interested? If so, perhaps forward their emails to him and he can contact them to see if they still are interested in it.

Did you guys meet at your home or work?
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I would never think of returning a CL item, or a garage sale one for that matter. You buy used, that is part of the deal. You have to make sure it is right before you purchase. Does he know where you live? That would worry me more.
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Tell him to suck a lemon.

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i added his argument.... is it legit? should i just let him return it and have him stop whining? we met at a school close by my houes
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If you really did knowingly sell him a bike that's been in an accident without disclosing that, then you should probably give him the money back. I'd offer to meet up with him and meet at a different bike shop for them to check it out and get their opinion on it. Nonetheless, I'd be willing to bed all this legal talk is a scare tactic and he's full of ****. Who takes someone to court over an $80 used bike? If the guy loses in small claims court(which he probably will), he has to pay yours and his court costs and you get off free. If he wins, you'll probably have to pay for the $80 bike plus $60 or so in court costs. I'd take the chance with this idiot.

If you didn't know the frame/fork were damaged, and it wasn't particularly obvious, then you were as ignorant as the buyer, and I still wouldn't refund him.

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Pics? What bike shop? I would make him prove to me that the frame is indeed crap & unrideable. Do you have your email convos? Basically, what did he say vs what did you say and pics of said damage.
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If you really did knowingly sell him a bike that's been in an accident without disclosing that, then you should probably give him the money back. I'd offer to meet up with him and meet at a different bike shop for them to check it out and get their opinion on it. Nonetheless, I'd be willing to bed all this legal talk is a scare tactic and he's full of ****. Who takes someone to court over an $80 used bike?
i had no prior knowledge that it had been in an accident, found the bike in the garage while cleaning it out, now hes sending emails with quotes saying how hes going to sue me for $600, etc etc.
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You didn't tell us whether the frame and fork were in fact damaged. Were they? The small claims thing is just bluster and I wouldn't worry about it, but if the frame was in fact damaged then I would offer him his money back. You really don't want the bad karma of selling things that aren't safe. On the other hand, if the frame wasn't damaged, then the bike shop was just trying to get the guy to buy a nicer bike. I would tell him to sue you. When he stops and thinks about it, he will realize that it isn't worth the time. The best result that he could get from the court would be for you to accept a return.
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http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv...098910752.html

this is the bike in question, it looked fine to me when i pulled it out, looks just a little surface rusty right? So thats the conclusion that i jumped to...

if the frame and fork was damaged, i didn't know so yeah... :\
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I sold and bought on CL many times. Selling on CL is terrible: people make appointments and never show up or try to low ball you eventhough the price agreed upon beforehand was firm. Buying is more fun: you can score a good deal on a used item.

Its an $80 bike, tell him to leave you alone, regardless if you're a minor or not: I would never bug a seller unless the item sold to me was misrepresented, but even then its pretty much a given that I got screwed. I doubt there is anything wrong with the bike, like someone mentioned before: he is having a buyers remorse. He should sell it or throw it out. I hate selling stuff to new-to-be cyclists, they dont know anything and have a million questions just to realize later that the bike perhaps isn't what they were looking for.
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Old 06-28-12, 12:45 PM   #12
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dude... he's complaining about an 80 dollar road bike? tell him to make better decisions next time. you're not a custom frame builder and it's not your job to know whether it fits or not.
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Old 06-28-12, 12:45 PM   #13
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I agree with much of what's been said. I buy and sell stuff on CL all the time and that's just how it goes. Used items are sold AS-IS. No returns. Buyer beware.
If you didn't lie to the guy, and he checked it out and rode it around and was happy enough with it to pay you the cash and take it home - he's stuck.

No one will sue you over $80. Don't worry about that. Also, he wouldn't win anyways.

If this was an eBay sale it would be different but since he was able to inspect and test the item before agreeing to buy... he's stuck with it. You owe him nothing. Fair's fair.

He doesn't have your address or anything so I think you should tell him firmly but not rudely - buddy you tried before you bought, sorry, have a nice day.
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Yeah. If you honestly didn't know it was damaged, and he didn't either, then he's stuck with it. There's really nothing he can actually do about it.
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Also, I'm pretty nice so usually I will tell the buyer that they can contact me within 24 hours if something goes wrong and we'll "try to work something out". But no one has ever taken me up on that policy. I usually only say that with musical gear. In case they get it home and something is broken that I didn't know about.
But maybe I should stop offering that policy. I mean, how do you know the guy didn't crash/break the thing after he bought it?
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http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv...098910752.html

this is the bike in question, it looked fine to me when i pulled it out, looks just a little surface rusty right? So thats the conclusion that i jumped to...

if the frame and fork was damaged, i didn't know so yeah... :\
Something about the fork doesn't look quite right. It might be the angle of the front wheel or it might have been in a wreck.

I agree that you could tell the guy to pound sand and not worry about any suit over an amount that's so small, but it's definitely possible you sold him a damaged bike.

You did say "completely functional". If it's got a bent fork, it's not functional and is possibly dangerous.

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Well, the fork does look a bent to me. I would just take it back. You don't want to feel like you screwed the guy.
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ehh, ill jsut take it back, i don't need to deal with any of this anyway, ill just sell it for $100 to someother person i guess... Already dealing with legal issues for the lady that hit me a couple months ago, screw it, anyone want to buy a roadbike for $100? lol
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The fork does look ****ed up to me. The lesson here, if you decide to give it back, is not to try to sell it again except for scrap, or part it out and sell everything but the busted parts, or be very clear in the ad that you found it in a garage and that you make no claims as to the road-worthiness of the bike. Now that you do have some information that it might be busted (this guy's claim, plus our observations based on the picture) you can't really in good faith sell it without disclosing that. IMO.
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The fork does look ****ed up to me. The lesson here, if you decide to give it back, is not to try to sell it again except for scrap, or part it out and sell everything but the busted parts, or be very clear in the ad that you found it in a garage and that you make no claims as to the road-worthiness of the bike. Now that you do have some information that it might be busted (this guy's claim, plus our observations based on the picture) you can't really in good faith sell it without disclosing that. IMO.
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I hear what everyone is saying about the fork, but if you let the guy ride it around and he decided to buy it...
That's very nice of you to give him the money back. I would definitely rub his nose in it a little bit though. Like "hey man listen, you rode the thing around and you thought it was good when you bought it, going forward I guess you should be more careful - and just for the record I still insist I did not intentionally sell you a bum bike and I feel the deal was fair"
I would also get some friends to go with you for the exchange/return. This guy seems a bit crazy and who knows...

I don't know what the market is by you but in Chicago, if I was buying a bike for $80 I would expect it to need a whole lotta work. It was that dude's fault for sure, you're nice to help him out like that.

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As I was saying, if this was an ebay thing - for sure you may have misrepresented the bike. But since this guy came and touched smelt tasted and rode the effing thing... yeah, totally his fault.
I wouldn't go to a resale shop, try on a jacket with a bunch of holes in it, buy it for $10, and then come back at them hopping mad all "you sold me a $10 jacket with holes in it!"

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Based upon the tone of his "argument", I would tell him flat out to **** himself.
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Yeah, I was thinking even if I did(which I personally wouldn't) give him his money back, I'd be a real dick about it just based on his crappy demanding attitude.

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Rip four $20 bills in half and tape them back together for him.
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