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    Trade opinions please?

    Hello all. I am in the process of trading my 2011 specialized roval rapid sl45 wheelset for a 2006 felt tk2 bike. I am really unsure of what the value of this track would bring today.Would any of you guys do this trade? I love my wheels but I have been wanting a track bike without really forking over the cash right now. Thanks for all your opinions.

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    A former teammate of mine just sold his TK2 on ebay for around 800 USD. (searching completed auctions on ebay is a pretty good way to get a sense of going rate for things.) ... it was only two seasons old and in very good shape.
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    Thanks guys for your opinions so far. I have posted the specs on the bike below.



    2006 FELT TK2 Frame Tubing Material - Felt 7005 aluminum
    Fork - Track Specific Felt Carbon Fiber Airofoil

    Components
    Brakeset - Front brake added
    Crankset - Sugino - 75 Track, 48 teeth
    Pedals - Not included
    Rear Cogs - flip-flop 1-speed, 15 teeth & 16 teeth
    Seatpost - Felt SM-3 Alloy, 27.2mm diameter
    Saddle - Felt Race-Lite
    Handlebar - Deda Pista (included) & Control Tech Formidable (installed)
    Handlebar Stem Felt ST-22
    Headset 1 1/8" FSA Integrated

    Wheels
    Hubs Felt aluminum
    Rims Alex ALX390 Double-Wall
    Tires 700 x 23C Vittoria Rubino Pro Slick Folding
    Spoke Brand DT Swiss stainless steel, 1.8/2.0 butted
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    Here is a picture of the wheelset on my road bike. Yes looks awesome lol. I figure next season I could just pick up a different set of wheels to try I guess.

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    lapiana29, Is this for track or street use?

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    1 aero lever? Front Brake? Bottle cages? strreeeeeeettttt.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by IvyCap View Post
    1 aero lever? Front Brake? Bottle cages? strreeeeeeettttt.....
    Just because the bike is currently set up that way, doesn't mean that is how it will be ridden by the new owner...
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    Strictly coming from a monetary view, I don't think it's a fair trade. The 2011 wheelset retails $1500 and the 2006 TK2 retails $1300, the price of a bike drops substantially over time, so its 7 years wouldn't be helping it's case.

    This might not make a difference to you if you're just looking for a bike to get on. The TK2 would be great for that. Great crankset, solid framset, bars are fine, wheelset would make decent trainers.

    But if money matters to you, it's not quite a square trade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagrom_ View Post
    Strictly coming from a monetary view, I don't think it's a fair trade. The 2011 wheelset retails $1500 and the 2006 TK2 retails $1300, the price of a bike drops substantially over time, so its 7 years wouldn't be helping it's case.

    This might not make a difference to you if you're just looking for a bike to get on. The TK2 would be great for that. Great crankset, solid framset, bars are fine, wheelset would make decent trainers.

    But if money matters to you, it's not quite a square trade.
    1) Explain to me how a track bike depreciates when the same equipment is used on modern track bike offerings. Actually, the cranks on the "old" TK2 are better than the Omniums that come on a new TK2.

    The only thing that age might affect is the mileage/condition of the frame. But, that being said, a 6 month old track bike that's been used for tricks would be in worse condition than a 6 year old bike that's been used sparingly and well cared for. So, see? It's the condition that matters. NOT the age. Age is something that people use as a negotiating technique to pay less for something.

    2) That $1,300 MSRP bike from 2006 would cost around $1,600 MSRP or more today with the same specs.

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    Yes, you guys are right. The guy is asking for $800 and I just really felt given its age alone that it was pushing it. I have seen the specialized langster 2011 go for around $450. I thought maybe there was something I wasent seeing with the felt tk2.I did decide not to do the deal my wheelset has been awesome for myself and with the dt-swiss hubs they sound killer. Thanks everyone for your help!!!!

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    I'm moving this to SSFG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carleton View Post
    1) Explain to me how a track bike depreciates when the same equipment is used on modern track bike offerings. Actually, the cranks on the "old" TK2 are better than the Omniums that come on a new TK2.

    The only thing that age might affect is the mileage/condition of the frame. But, that being said, a 6 month old track bike that's been used for tricks would be in worse condition than a 6 year old bike that's been used sparingly and well cared for. So, see? It's the condition that matters. NOT the age. Age is something that people use as a negotiating technique to pay less for something.

    2) That $1,300 MSRP bike from 2006 would cost around $1,600 MSRP or more today with the same specs.

    "Age is something that people use as a negotiating technique to pay less for something."

    Exactly.

    Sure, it still may be worth what you say it is, but it's age will still brings its value down, even if there isn't a reason for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagrom_ View Post
    "Age is something that people use as a negotiating technique to pay less for something."

    Exactly.

    Sure, it still may be worth what you say it is, but it's age will still brings its value down, even if there isn't a reason for it.
    The guy asked if it was a fair trade...not if he could get a better trade out of the deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carleton View Post
    The guy asked if it was a fair trade...not if he could get a better trade out of the deal.
    If he could get a better trade out of it, how is it a fair trade?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagrom_ View Post
    If he could get a better trade out of it, how is it a fair trade?

    You're the idiot.
    Apparently you don't know the difference between a "fair trade" and a trade "where he could get a better deal".

    FOR EXAMPLE:

    - A fair trade is $80 for new Nitto B123 handlebars.
    - A "better deal" trade is to get new Nitto B123 handlebars for $60 because they are "old" (even though they are still used by modern elite racers.

    The guy wanted to know if he was getting a fair deal because he has "been wanting a track bike without really forking over the cash right now. " That trade would immediately get him a good track bike for training and racing. But apparently you don't think so...because the bike is "old" (with modern parts, tho lol).

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    Quote Originally Posted by carleton View Post
    Apparently you don't know the difference between a "fair trade" and a trade "where he could get a better deal".

    FOR EXAMPLE:

    - A fair trade is $80 for new Nitto B123 handlebars.
    - A "better deal" trade is to get new Nitto B123 handlebars for $60 because they are "old" (even though they are still used by modern elite racers.

    The guy wanted to know if he was getting a fair deal because he has "been wanting a track bike without really forking over the cash right now. " That trade would immediately get him a good track bike for training and racing. But apparently you don't think so...because the bike is "old" (with modern parts, tho lol).
    The bike goes for about 800 bucks on CL. The wheelset goes for about a thousand.

    How is a 200 dollar deficit a fair trade?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagrom_ View Post
    The bike goes for about 800 bucks on CL. The wheelset goes for about a thousand.

    How is a 200 dollar deficit a fair trade?
    1) Show me.

    2) So the guy would have to:

    - Find a bike on local CL that is in his size and price range with the same race specs
    - Find a buyer for his wheels that will pay what he wants (at least $200 more than the CL bike, right?)
    - All right now. Not a week from now. Not a month from now. Not 6 months of wheeling and dealing. Right now.

    What are the chances of that happening? If you fully expect that to happen...you are confirming that you are an idiot with very lofty expectations.

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    I am an idiot for arguing with you about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carleton View Post
    I am an idiot for arguing with you about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carleton View Post
    1) Show me.

    2) So the guy would have to:

    - Find a bike on local CL that is in his size and price range with the same race specs
    - Find a buyer for his wheels that will pay what he wants (at least $200 more than the CL bike, right?)
    - All right now. Not a week from now. Not a month from now. Not 6 months of wheeling and dealing. Right now.

    What are the chances of that happening? If you fully expect that to happen...you are confirming that you are an idiot with very lofty expectations.

    If $200 is really worth that convenience to OP, then I guess it's a fair trade. I don't personally think it is.

    I mean, track season is at it's high right now, he better get a bike asap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carleton View Post
    We're both being idiots for arguing about this.
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