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Old 11-27-12, 02:40 AM   #1
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NJS vs non NJS

To get specific

My friend is trying to sell me some used superbe pro cranksfor $100 (which usually go for $200 used). However, I am seeing same condition if not better omniums on CL for just a few bucks more. I'm leaning towards the omniums, but the NJS stamp... THE NJS STAMP!!!

I just want to know what to get, non NJS cranksets like miche and omniums look just as good as NJS, and I feel like I'm just paying for the NJS stamp and the craftsmanship(which doesn't necessarily mean better performance) when buying NJS stuff.

So tell me what you think, are NJS equipment really worth that much more money compared to non NJS?
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Old 11-27-12, 02:53 AM   #2
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Nope. It's all hype

I love Suntour though, so get those.
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Old 11-27-12, 03:24 AM   #3
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$100 for SSP crankarms is a steal.

Anyway as far was swagpoints goes...
Campy > DA > SSP > 75 > Omnium > Miche
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$100 for SSP crankarms is a steal.

Anyway as far was swagpoints goes...
Campy > DA > SSP > 75 > Omnium > Miche
This man speaks truth.
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$100 for SSP crankarms is a steal.

Anyway as far was swagpoints goes...
Campy > DA > SSP > 75 > Omnium > Miche
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The NJS logo is not a designation of quality or craftsmanship, but rather a designation of compliance to an arbitrary set of standards required for keirin racing. It is meaningless unless you are a professional keirin racer.
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$100 for SSP crankarms is a steal.

Anyway as far was swagpoints goes...
Campy > DA > SSP > 75 > Omnium > Miche
swag yes, but as far as price goes...
DA > SSP > 75 >> Campy > Omnium > Miche

That's why I've got a campagnolo, best bang for the buck IMO.
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It is meaningless unless you are a [strike]professional keirin racer[/strike]baller.
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You guys are not answering the question. I'm not talking about "swag points", I want want PERFORMANCE.
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Dude. Can you read? Clearly it's NO.

Get what you want.
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but the NJS stamp... THE NJS STAMP!!!

I just want to know what to get, non NJS cranksets like miche and omniums look just as good as NJS, and I feel like I'm just paying for the NJS stamp and the craftsmanship(which doesn't necessarily mean better performance)
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The NJS logo is not a designation of quality or craftsmanship, but rather a designation of compliance to an arbitrary set of standards required for keirin racing. It is meaningless unless you are a professional keirin racer.
You didn't really ask about performance at all and John gave a good answer.

They are top cranks. Choose which one you like more because you probably wont notice much difference in actual performance. The oversized BB spindle and external bearings of the Omniums is supposed to add stiffness to the system. Go for that if you want more "performance".

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The NJS logo is not a designation of quality or craftsmanship, but rather a designation of compliance to an arbitrary set of standards required for keirin racing. It is meaningless unless you are a professional keirin racer.
Although this is correct, is does not mean that NJS does not have quality standards. NJS parts are very quality, but that does not mean that non-NJS parts are of lesser quality. Personally, I like my Sugino 75's, but if I were starting over, I would go with Omniums.
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You guys are not answering the question. I'm not talking about "swag points", I want want PERFORMANCE.
Considering silver Sugino 75s are NJS certified but black and other colors are not, the stamp doesn't really mean much by the way of overall "performance".

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I'm leaning towards the omniums, but the NJS stamp... THE NJS STAMP!!!
Sounds to me like you're after swag points.
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swag yes, but as far as price goes...
DA > SSP > 75 >> Campy > Omnium > Miche

That's why I've got a campagnolo, best bang for the buck IMO.
That's not why you have campy. Be real.
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The NJS standards were set in the late 1950s, so with most things the parts stamped are pretty low on the perfomance level. They are nice, but will not perform like modern parts. There are three exceptions: bars, hubs, and cranks.

But with the bars and cranks things are changing. Parts like the 3ttt scattos and outboard bearings are making it so that in 5 years the NJS parts will fall the way of the Hatta headset and araya rims.
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Considering silver Sugino 75s are NJS certified but black and other colors are not
I just thought I'd chime in and say my old pair of black 75s were stamped.

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swag yes, but as far as price goes...
DA > SSP > 75 >> Campy > Omnium > Miche

That's why I've got a campagnolo, best bang for the buck IMO.
Where are you getting your Campys cheaper than 75s? Campys are like $400 retail.
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That's not why you have campy. Be real.
Oh please tell me why I bought my crankset, this should be good. Keep in mind I use them on my track bike and omniums on my street bike.

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Where are you getting your Campys cheaper than 75s? Campys are like $400 retail.
ˆˆˆˆthis and get a sealed BB from the campagnolo line like Chorus or even Veloce wich isn't hugely overprice as the record pista and you will be all set for an awesome crank+bb.
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I just thought I'd chime in and say my old pair of black 75s were stamped.
Both of my newer black sets (as well as the ones in the shop) are not stamped but my silver ones are.
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Both of my newer black sets (as well as the ones in the shop) are not stamped but my silver ones are.
Losin' points, mang.
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