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Old 02-12-05, 09:40 PM   #1
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bah! Another one bites the dust: stay away from basic Suzue hubs

What ever you do, get IRO, get Surly, stay away from Suzue basic. Thank you very much.

Lost my rear hub today. Have about 800 miles on it, no skidding and very little back pedaling resistance. Planning on phoning Tony shortly...
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seriously, dude. this ***** needs to stop. now.
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Old 02-12-05, 10:45 PM   #3
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seriously, dude. this ***** needs to stop. now.
eat me, I'm a danish
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it's so hard to tell what people really mean on this internerd.
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Do you break every component you get your hands on? Jesus.
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Do you break every component you get your hands on? Jesus.
When you are almost 300lbs, yeah, pretty much.

I'm beginning to wonder if I should wait until I hit the 225 mark to start bicycling again.
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How did the hub fail?
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Stripped when I guess I torqued it a little hard. 46x16 with someone who weighs as much as two adults probably has that effect.

I think I am going to give up on cycling and start using dumb bells until I can get my weight down so that I stop breaking bikes.
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So who makes the bulletproof hubs out there?

I'm a NOOB to all this track bike stuff, but I want something tough enough for Velodrome use?

BTW, I just saw that Velocity Track Wheelset with the high flange hubs and Deep V...looks cool. Wonder if they are any good in the rear hub department?
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The Suzue basic is just that BASIC! Get the NJS models if you plan to ride hard on them . I have 2 set and have seen other guys happy also.

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seriously, dude. this ***** needs to stop. now.
Yeah it does need to stop! We keep posting for guys to stay away and they don't. We need to put dunce caps for those who buy then complain about them.

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We'll see how long mine lasts. 320 pounds, 42x16 gearing single speed not fixed. Been riding the bike less than a week.
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I don't understand this. What are you guys doing to the cheap Suzue hubs? I have a set with 2000 miles on them with no trouble. I even built up some for sale on Ebay but I believe the Suzue curse is keeping people away.
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I even built up some for sale on Ebay but I believe the Suzue curse is keeping people away.
Or it could be the $35 shipping charge for a set of wheels.
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Suzue Pro Max Deluxe Sealed and Suzue Pro NJS = Good ones
Suzue standard = BAD!!

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Wait until you see the box, I don't scam on my shipping pricing, Once USPS gets their cut i have about seven bucks to cover my time and packaging. MY stuff shows up in one piece, in perfect condition, exactly as described. Hell, the opening bid is what the parts cost me wholesale. Just the front wheel would be $170 from someone like Genuine George.
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Perhaps the cog was torqued down too much with a chainwhip and was half stripped to begin with.
Maybe you big guys should try running smaller cogs with smaller chainrings. Bigger cogs put more torque on the threads too. Cog size related to tightness?
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While I don't doubt your shipping costs, time, packaging, etc. There are others on ebay who have MUCH cheaper shipping costs for a set of wheels.
For example, nyc bikes, user name: nycbikes only costs $13.40 to ship priority to me in boston. I guess nyc-boston is a lot shorter and cheaper than NC to boston, but...
Also, bensbike, ebay user name: bensbike, ships their wheels for $25, and they're in milwauke.
Both of these ebay sellers sell fixed wheelsets: i.e competing products, so I think that when your shipping costs are factored in, there are other alternatives which may be more attractive in the end.
Not criticising, but observing.

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Seriously, the quality of my work is better. I do want to know about this stuff. I am trying to figure out how to do more build work and actually make a profit. My opening bids on the two sets I had up were what I had in the wheels. I knew the rep of the Suzue hubs but I have put several on the road for me and several customers with no problems. I really think it has some to do with how the cog and lock ring are installed. I can make some badass wheels but the cost has to be absorbed somewhere. I noticed NYC always has stuff up but the hubs are unbranded (Altho I think I know who makes them, I will have to look into that) and they use straight guage spokes which drops the price a bit compared to mine which are bouble butted. i don't know how they ship Priority so cheap, unless their boxes weigh 2-3 pounds less than mine. Those wheels are sure not any lighter, probably a half pound heavier at the least.
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NYC bikes / Iro Cycles / Bensbike all use the same hubs, just rebadged. They are made by formula.
FYI- The formula hubs are of FAR better quality than the suzue basic hubs, on par to surly hubs. The forumla hubs all use sealed cartridge bearings, and higher quality threads.
I'm not doubting your wheelbuilding abilities, I have heard a few negative things about the wheel build quality of NYC bike's wheels and Ben's bike's wheels.
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I would have used Surly but they are hard to come by. Seems like they are never in stock, same story with Spot. I tried for three months to get some of their hubs (As a dealer looking to sell their product) with no luck. Formula it may be. I thought I had some of the Suzue cartridge hubs lined up but they are hard to come by as well. Everything else is like my other, no cheap hub, no freight post, the hubs are very exspensive, my cost on a Campy Record rear hub is $144. I can just about build a pair of cheap wheels for that.
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Uh, you know you're talking to the Rev, right?
I think most of NYC Bikes wheels use Sovos/Quando hubs which are a step down from Suzue basics. Anyway, I agree with the Rev, I think most problems arise because of how the cog and lockring were installed. A 300lb person is going to put a lot more torque into a chainwhip than a 150lb person, but a 300lb person pushing 80 gear inches at 20mph is putting the same torque (more or less) than a 150lb person doing the same. Additionally, Rev. replaced the stock bearings with higher quality ones. That and adjusting the cones properly make a huge difference in the hubs' life.

EDIT: nycbikes' cheaper wheels were Sovos/Quando. They do have a bunch or newer, higher quality wheels now.
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I checked I can easily build and sell, with some margin, a wheelset(thats a pair) with Suzue hubs, straight Dt spokes and Alex Dm18 eyeletted rims for $140. About what wholesale for the Campy hub is. i just need to research the shipping thing. I can't figure how these guys do it so cheap unless they put part of the shipping cost inot the wheel cost, which means they skimp somewhere on the wheel. I have a Phil spoke cutter and could reduce costs some by buying blanks and cutting them to length myself, hmmm.
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I always thought the Bensbike's wheels where machine built...
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I always thought the Bensbike's wheels where machine built...
Are wheel building machines expensive? I don't see how it would be economical for bensbike to use one, unless they were really cheap....
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