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Old 06-26-13, 02:23 PM   #51
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I want to test ride a kilo. Gotta see if the bf hype is valid. Anybody know a good lbs to test them out?
I have one tucked away in a time capsule as we speak. I'll let you ride it in fifteen years.
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Wait a sec not sure what specs your looking at but the kilo tt for 399 uses a lot of no name junk....

Alloy crankset...
Alloy dual pivot brakes...
Spokes....stainless
Wheelset...deep sectioned...

Whoa...not exactly killer components from my view.
Kilo tt pro.
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Wait a sec not sure what specs your looking at but the kilo tt for 399 uses a lot of no name junk....

Alloy crankset...
Alloy dual pivot brakes...
Spokes....stainless
Wheelset...deep sectioned...

Whoa...not exactly killer components from my view.
The $399 Kilo TT with chrome ends has a Truvativ crankset, Kenda tires and the one my friend got came with two Tektro Brakes.

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Stop shilling the kilo tt....

But....

Kilo TT Pro / thread.

Sorry had to do it once.

Seriously at the 400 price point these things are pretty much the same unless the components are puzzling or the geo is off the wall.
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Seriously at the 400 price point these things are pretty much the same unless the components are puzzling or the geo is off the wall.
Made in Taiwan =/= Made in China
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Stop shilling the kilo tt....

But....

Kilo TT Pro / thread.

Sorry had to do it once.

Seriously at the 400 price point these things are pretty much the same unless the components are puzzling or the geo is off the wall.
Just out of sheer curiosity, what do you ride?
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Just out of sheer curiosity, what do you ride?
Actually, the question you should ask is wut do you ride.

Anyway, isn't it like a Charge Plug ?
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Anyway, isn't it like a Charge Plug ?
Oh yeah, that's right. Great Britain's version of the Kilo TT.

The Kilo UK, if you will.
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Made in Taiwan =/= Made in China
Well there is a lot of controversey especially in the carbon world about that. But I am sure the Chinese can produce a good quality bike frame. Look at your phones and other gadgets people...where are they made? A walmart bike for example made in taiwan does not make it great.
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Oh yeah, that's right. Great Britain's version of the Kilo TT.
Except w/o the defective forks.
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But I am sure the Chinese can produce a good quality bike frame. Look at your phones and other gadgets people...where are they made?
Bikes and electronics are two totally different things and someone needs to know what they're talking about before posting.
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Seriously at the 400 price point these things are pretty much the same unless the components are puzzling or the geo is off the wall.
From experience, not true. You have to consider build quality, as well as finish. The Kilo TT excels at both in the 400 price point.
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I remember years ago when nobody would ever consider buying anything that was made in Taiwan because that meant it was junk. I can even remember when I was a kid and my parents were skeptical of anything that was made in Japan because it was junk. A couple of years ago I was in a factory in Thailand that manufactured boxing equipment and clothes and the people that worked there put more time and care into what they were producing then I could imagine any American workers making minimum wage would...but of course if it was made in America it would be made by machines not by people. I'm sure 99% of the electronics and appliances I have in my home were made in China as well as all of my clothes, luggage, backpacks, camping equipment etc and it's all been working out for me. So place of origin is the least important thing to me when it comes to choosing a bike to buy.
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Come on, people. You're on the internet, do a little research.

The main problem with bikes made in China is that the factories have much lower standards regarding overall quality and quality control than those in Japan (which has very high standards) or Taiwan.
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I remember years ago when nobody would ever consider buying anything that was made in Taiwan because that meant it was junk. I can even remember when I was a kid and my parents were skeptical of anything that was made in Japan because it was junk. A couple of years ago I was in a factory in Thailand that manufactured boxing equipment and clothes and the people that worked there put more time and care into what they were producing then I could imagine any American workers making minimum wage would...but of course if it was made in America it would be made by machines not by people. I'm sure 99% of the electronics and appliances I have in my home were made in China as well as all of my clothes, luggage, backpacks, camping equipment etc and it's all been working out for me. So place of origin is the least important thing to me when it comes to choosing a bike to buy.
My reply was in regard to bicycle frames, which is a totally different animal. I can tell you from my professional experience that the Chinese lag badly behind in certain areas such as metallurgy and welding. There is a restriction in the USA that pipe flanges made in China may not be used in US nuclear power plants, because they are prone to failure.
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From experience, not true. You have to consider build quality, as well as finish. The Kilo TT excels at both in the 400 price point.
Kilo TT or Kilo TT Pro? Kilo TT is $399, Kilo TT Pro is $449. Looks like the kilo tt pro uses brand name components so worth the extra $50. The chrome accents do look nice.
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Kilo TT or Kilo TT Pro? Kilo TT is $399, Kilo TT Pro is $449. Looks like the kilo tt pro uses brand name components so worth the extra $50. The chrome accents do look nice.
Regular Kilo TT. For some reason, this version is not on the main page, but it's on the track bikes page, so it's a bit harder to find:
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...rome_paint.htm
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Kilo TT or Kilo TT Pro? Kilo TT is $399, Kilo TT Pro is $449. Looks like the kilo tt pro uses brand name components so worth the extra $50. The chrome accents do look nice.
Much better cranks (Sugino RD2) and wheel hubs are Formula with maintenance free sealed cartridge bearings instead of loose bearings that require service and adjustment. Those two differences alone are worth more than $50. The chrome is nice because you don't have to worry about the paint on the dropouts getting torn up by the wheel axle nuts.
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The main problem with bikes made in China is that the factories have much lower standards regarding overall quality and quality control than those in Japan (which has very high standards) or Taiwan.
I've read numerous threads on the ebay chinese carbon frames, and there seem to be a lot of people like them and think they are high quality. I think the problem is that a lot of the bikes that come from China are probably all the department store bikes, like WalMart, Sears, etc. that sell these things for $150 to $200 bucks. What I'm saying is that if someone designed a good quality frame, and had it manufactured in China...I wouldn't say it would be junk just because it's made in China.
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I've read numerous threads on the ebay chinese carbon frames, and there seem to be a lot of people like them and think they are high quality. I think the problem is that a lot of the bikes that come from China are probably all the department store bikes, like WalMart, Sears, etc. that sell these things for $150 to $200 bucks. What I'm saying is that if someone designed a good quality frame, and had it manufactured in China...I wouldn't say it would be junk just because it's made in China.
Except that nobody does.
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Oh yeah, that's right. Great Britain's version of the Kilo TT.

The Kilo UK, if you will.
Uhhhh...I must of missed the memo where the kilo TT some how sets this bar that all other bike companies strive for. I'm sure the kilo is a good bike, but come on now. You'll be happy to know my GB has gone 200 miles and all it needed so far was some wheel truing. Oh and I like my stock saddle too
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200 miles total or in one trip?
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You'll be happy to know my GB has gone 200 miles and all it needed so far was some wheel truing.
Properly built wheels should never need any re-truing no matter how many miles you put on them. Since most stock wheels are not properly tensioned or stressed from the factory, then it's up to the bike shop that assembles it to take care of this before they deliver the bike. If you buy it online, then you either take it to a competent lbs or do it yourself. If you do itself and you keep having to re-true the wheels, then you don't know what you are doing and need to take it a bike shop mechanic.
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I doubt you could even tell if a frame was double butted or straight gauge just from riding it. Doubt you could tell reynolds from tainge prestige just from riding....and I doubt you could tell if a weld is good just from appearances.....
Ok. Lets just all stop buying nice things.
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