Im a freelance designer and have worked with State Bicycle Co. and Mehdi personally. Take in mind I might be biased, but I think a lot of you are missing the point here. First off, as a professional, I only work with companies that I actually believe in. Im also good at what I do and working with bad companies can easily reflect on me.
Like stated above in this thread numerous times, we are talking about bikes for the most part below the $475.00 price range. Honestly and objectively think about who is looking for bikes at that price point? All of you pooping on them are probably not the target demographic. I would assume, without 100% knowing their business model, that they are aiming at the demographics of 14-26 year old first time real bike buyers (meaning non department store). Buyers with a little more money and style, than the average person. People that want to ride, but at the moment have no plans of racing or training for that matter. These people probably want a bike that rides with out problems and looks good at the same time. Those same people probably wont be hammering, dont know how to skid, and average 13 mph. Its going to be hard to break anything like that.
Just objectively think, State Bicycle Co. provides bikes with multiple options and multiple colors to appeal to those that are just starting out. At the same time the bike is of higher quality materials than others in the range (4130 vs Hi-Ten) but not always the highest. Its hard for a company to exist if they have the best looking product, best parts, and the lowest cost. We should all keep in mind, just like frames sold by different brands can come from the same factory, so can components. I think its a little premature to poop all over the components unless you know something about what factory produces them.
Next I have to say, and this is 100% my opinion, the direction this company is moving is amazing for how long they have been around. They sponsor races, riders, and events. They are involved in multiple communities and get more people on bikes. They are now offering higher end bikes and getting support from riders that are good enough to place on the podiums in races we all respect.
Lastly, I think its even more amazing that an owner / co-founder will come in here and support his products. Ive never seen anything negative about the customer service. He, isn't just some PR guy. He is involved in the company from the ground up. This guy cares enough to work directly with freelance designers on things all the way down to the packaging of their chains. He then cares enough to take the time to come in here and deal with most of you trolls and S-talkers who have never seen the bikes we are discussing. Most people on these forums don't have the guts to stand up for what they believe in. Its just a bunch of dweebs, a-holes, and sheep, that buy what ever the next "cool" thing is. The same people that get chubs for what ever the most expensive products without any consideration for the design, value, or actual manufacturing cost. I would rather ride a State Bicycle Co. Undefeated than any iteration of your identical Cinelli Mash Histograms with identical build lists of: Thomson seat post, Thomson Stem, and Sram Omniums. Don't get me wrong im sure they are great frames but there are 14 pages of identical bikes on pedalroom with the same comment of "sick build bruh." Congratulations you managed to pick your own tires, tubes, hubs, and hoops.
Whatever works for you, bro.
This exact quote is exactly my point. Your need for quick wit and to entertain those that follow you on these boards has you calling a bike mediocre when it hasnt even released to the public yet. So I was curious, how many miles have you put on a State Bicycle Co. Undefeated? Lastly OMG all double triangle designed bicycles are reiterations of other bikes with tweaks. This sports been around a long time man. Im clearly not saying I had to buy Ian Sutton's Icarus Leviathan just to be a contrarian to whats going on in bike culture right now.
The point of my post deals in relatives. If they are relatively the same I would rather buy from a company with a great owner, great customer service and is extreamly active and doing good things in the bicycle community.
As to your first quote ive been around here for a minute.
Please don't confuse my telling it like it is with "quick wit". If you can't handle it, GTFO.
I bet you're a real treat to hang out with and talk to in person. Keep up the good work.
If you are just telling it like it is, go ahead tell me, how many miles have you put on a State Bicycle Co. Undefeated? Hmmmm if the answer is zero to non it seems like you are the person in here pushing an uninformed opinion. All I want is for these forums to be a place where people can ask questions and get answers. Not have to read pages of crap talking from people with no experience with products.
Lol Scrod ill give you credit for that wit, that actually was a funny joke. Honestly though I didnt do the design work on that.
The reason we keep comming back at you is you will say something like this first.
There's no doubt in my mind that State has improved quite a bit since arriving on the scene and will likely continue to improve
Then in the next post you will call something you haven't even used mediocre. You then expect us not to reply and quickly edit your posts. You are just talking out both sides of your mouth. Im not mad and get no profit from defending State. Like I said, I just think they are a good company, doing good things.
I guess I really have no idea what I'm talking about, though. I'm just the owner of a very successful bike shop who is very selective of what I ride and my shop will (and won't) sell. And for the record, there's a reason I have a "following" - because I don't sugar coat anything and would much rather be called a dick than an idiot or a liar.
Wabi has all the SW8 fixays beat. Certainly worth the extra couple hundred bucks IMO
It's not like I'm saying State is a ****ty company and everyone associated with them should be put to death. I just have a differing impression regarding a bicycle frame. Jeez...
Build a one inch threaded setup
Man I was going to drop it but I just cant now.
Dont take such offense to me stating a couple of points. I never called your bicycle knowledge into question. I do question your motives some of the time. You clearly stated you own a business and that means you can make money by pooping all over certain products and driving people to your shop and website. Hell I even think it is really smart marketing. I just hope others realize that your opinions can be jaded by the good old american dollar
Im not hyping a bike here. I gain nothing in this discussion besides hopefully making this place a little more friendly and educational to new cyclist. Im just a designer not a big bad bike shop owner, no money comes to me (unless you want need some design work, I could help you out). Better watch out though I have even worked with some companies you sell in your super exclusive bicycle shop. I do find your word choice to be strange though. Calling a bike mediocre doesnt quite make sense to me if the facts mjfarsi stated are true. It seem, that by definition those specific Leader frames would be mediocre? Again this is if those facts are true (notice i used the word "if"). It is also clear to me that your blind allegiance to a company is stopping you from making informed opinions. We all need to eat though, I get it. The more Leaders on the streets mean the higher probabilities they could be purchased from you.
Ok time to hug