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    One bike for racing on the velo AND for long group rides?

    Looking to build a new bike, most likely an aluminum frame similar to a Dolan Pre Cursa. I plan on racing the bike at the velodrome, as well as doing alley cats, urban crits, and other races on it.

    The catch is, I'd also like to use the bike for longer rides. As some of you in NY know, there are a few track bike clubs (NNR, Track or Die, etc) who regularly do long rides together on track bikes anywhere from 50 to 100 miles long, and I'd want to be riding this bike on those trips as well.

    Do you think a steel frame with road geo like a Surly Steamroller might be a better fit than a more race-oriented track bike like a Langster or Pre Cursa? How much would a more comfortable bike affect speed in races? My budget for the build is around $1,200.

    EDIT: I'll probably also use this bike for my commute to work ~12 miles round trip 4x/week.
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    if youre gonna be spending more time on the road, then get something with more road centric geometry

    unless youre a pro level racer tarck is about legs. even then its about legs + high end aero jiblets
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    If you're just doing mass-start races on the track like points races and miss-n-outs, you really don't need a really tight sprint bike, so any track bike with a bit more relaxed geo but still a high bottom bracket should do just fine. I have a Soma Rush that I take on long road rides but have also ridden on the track, and it does very well at both.
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    Thanks for the help tejano. Do you have any frames you'd suggest in that range? Seems like a Pake Rum Runner, Wabi, Soma, or IRO might be the best fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesselash View Post
    Thanks for the help tejano. Do you have any frames you'd suggest in that range? Seems like a Pake Rum Runner, Wabi, Soma, or IRO might be the best fit.
    Pake Rum runner is heavy straight gauge tubing, Wabi Classic is very much a laid back road bike for touring / commuting but not competition, IRO is defunct. Although I have no personal experience with them, something like the aluminum Pake French or All City Thunderdome framesets might also work.
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    There is a Thunderdrome raced here on Penrose, and he takes it on the Wolfpack Hustles. It fits your needs for sure. Its a high quality bike that is pretty versitile. Another option you may want to look at is the Specialized Langster.
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    Brakes are a must for the group ride one. Common courtesy.

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    as far as urban crits go, if they are certified/ USAC [CAT 54321] etc a fixed gear is actually illegal (I asked at a USAC race in my town). SS Freewheel is fine, brakes required, but no fixed on crits if it's USAC. if that matters. I can see why... all fixed/brakeless riders slowing for a turn is its own special thing, coming in hot on a fixed on braking freewheelers (also its own different thing) or just pedal striking a corner could wipe out large numbers of others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinikl View Post
    as far as urban crits go, if they are certified/ USAC [CAT 54321] etc a fixed gear is actually illegal (I asked at a USAC race in my town). SS Freewheel is fine, brakes required, but no fixed on crits if it's USAC. if that matters. I can see why... all fixed/brakeless riders slowing for a turn is its own special thing, coming in hot on a fixed on braking freewheelers (also its own different thing) or just pedal striking a corner could wipe out large numbers of others.
    For all USAC racing you must have sleeves on your top. It can be a t-shirt or jersey, but it must have sleeves. No tanktops or sleeveless jerseys.




    This is a factual post that has no relevance to the tread, just like the quoted one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kayce View Post
    For all USAC racing you must have sleeves on your top. It can be a t-shirt or jersey, but it must have sleeves. No tanktops or sleeveless jerseys.




    This is a factual post that has no relevance to the tread, just like the quoted one.

    Ha! I'm taking about fixed-gear specific crits, like the Red Hook Crit. Thanks for the help though, sinikl and Kayce.

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    Get something that can take a crash.
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    Anything in my budget will be crashable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesselash View Post
    Anything in my budget will be crashable.
    A 10,000 dollar frame is crashable.
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    Doing one-legged squats while holding chickens in each hand will make someone strong...that doesn't mean it's the best way to train for track racing.
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    All-City also makes a more versatile track frame in steel, the Big Block. I've been riding one with the local randonneuring club, along with heavy street use. Got 28c tires on it with room to spare.

    Plus, Megan Fox rides a Big Block


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    Aluminum: Aventon Mataro- My friend bought the frame set, he said it was very light weight and stiff, I never bothered to look at the geometry though.
    Steel: Leader 722TS, Bianchi pista, Specialized Langster.
    I really love my leader! It's very stiff and responsive, also you won't have any toe overlap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlafitte View Post
    Plus, Megan Fox rides a Big Block

    With her toe thumbs. *shudders*

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    Pake French 75 build for sale on Craigslist for $600.. think this would be a good option? http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/3942941890.html

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    Seems steep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlafitte View Post
    All-City also makes a more versatile track frame in steel, the Big Block. I've been riding one with the local randonneuring club, along with heavy street use. Got 28c tires on it with room to spare.

    Plus, Megan Fox rides a Big Block

    Sweet. Does she ride with Ewan McGregor and his Aerospokes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagrom_ View Post
    Seems steep.
    Thanks Nagrom. Obviously he left out all pertinent details about the components, but I've emailed asking for a parts list.

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    Since starting this thread, I've gone on a few longer rides on my road bike and come to grips with the fact that riding a track bike long distances doesn't make much sense. Yes, I'll still do it from time to time, but there's no way in hell I'm riding up the mountains of up-state NY fixed.

    With that said, I'm narrowing my search down to aluminum track frames under $400. I'd like the full bike to be under $1,000, and would really prefer to build it as opposed to buying a complete as I've owned 6 bikes over the past few years and have never built one. Does something like a Dolan Pre Cursa frame or Pake French 75 seem like I'm heading in the right direction?

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