nightfly

Been sorta taken with Cinelli Vigorelli frames. Don't necessarily need something that high end but wanted that look of fat tubes but not extreme geometry. Also not super taken with the colorways lately. Anything else like that which would make a nice street build. Extra points for less graphics.

Huffandstuff

Leader 735/State undefeated(?)/Visp if you can find one/Averting makes something too.

Out of all those, go with the leader, it's the least awful and minimal graphics.

nightfly

Does the Vigorelli have less track-ish geometry than the Mash Bolt and other frames with downsloping top tubes? Looks like the Vig has a non-sloping top tube.

Scrodzilla

Google is pretty hard to use.

rms13

https://www.dolan-bikes.com/dolan-tra...rack-bike.html

rocferd

The Vigorelli actually has a more traditional/classic track geometry than the Mash frames. Also, the top tube slopes toward the rear slightly. The Mash Bolt and Histogram were designed with aggressive street riding and racing in mind. They can work well on the track as well, depending on your geometry preferences and physical abilities. They're not UCI compliant though. The new Mash Parallax is said to be UCI compliant, though. It has a more aggressive modern track geometry compared to the Vigorelli.

seau grateau

What about it is not UCI compliant?

rocferd

The forward sloping top tube and the seat tube angle. Possibly the head tube angle as well, but I'm not sure. From what I've read, the Parallax basically is supposed to resolve these issues.

Oh yeah, I was referring to the Mash Bolt and Histogram as being non UCI compliant, not the Vig. From what I understand, the Vig is UCI compliant.

IAmSam

I am confused...will anybody here, including the OP and also previous posters in this thread, please tell me - what does "fat tubed Cinelli Vigorelli style frame for a street build" actually mean?

seau grateau

As far as I know (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), none of those things have anything to do with UCI regulations.

Huffandstuff

It's that sick aero tubing that gives you the stiffness you need for whip skids and the aerodynamics for when it's locked up outside the chrome store.

Scrodzilla

He wants an aluminum frame with fat tubes similar to those found on the Vigorelli without paying Cinelli money.

rocferd

I'm guessing the OP meant modern aluminum track frame with round or roundish tubing.

Kayce

Raise your hand if you have actually read the UCI rulebook. Hi carleton, lets high five.


The UCI gives no crap about tube angles. And even more importantly until you the to the UCI cup race this Nov. in LA, all American cycling gives no craps about UCI.

rocferd

Honestly, it's just what I've been told and have read on the internet, so I can't really say for sure.

rocferd

Thank you for the clarification. I tried to read the UCI regulations once, but didn't have the time or patience. A lot of it had me going, "huh?" Decided to read it some other time, as none of it presently applies to me. Haha!

Kayce

USAC rules are more important, and a bit easier to read. But in reality they are only a guideline that officials and promoters go by. This is even more true in track racing, than in road. There is also a newer body of organizing called ATRA that a lot of tracks are moving towards. Track cycling is an uncared about off shoot for USAC, so a bunch of really awesome trackies got together and created a track focused group. Their rules actually make sense.


Also, Thunderdome.

nightfly

So basically, the Vigarelli, although the only one that is actually designed for track use, has less aggressive geometry than the Mash frames that are designed to be used on the street.

Yeah, the forward sloping top tube is a no go. Actually want something with more relaxed geometry rather than more aggressive geometry but really like the fatter tubes and shorter top tube length for street.

Looking for this sort of build (sans ugly colors and logos) that many people hate:

TejanoTrackie 

Yeah, most of the race promotions at my track (Frisco Superdrome) are sanctioned by ATRA. There was a USAC/UCI event there this year where they weighed all the bikes and my Pista Concept barely passed.

Scrodzilla

nightfly

Mean not pursuit geometry just regular track.

Kayce

How about numbers? What angles are you looking for?

BoozyMcliverRot

Dawes SST

https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/..._al_carb_x.htm

Complete bike for about half the price of a MASH frame.

If I had this bike I would probably swap the bars,stem,post,saddle and tires.pretty sure that everthing else will handle high mileage use.

sheepdog84

if you don't want to pay "cinelli money", what are you willing to spend?

also, in my experience, a full on aluminum track frame isn't that comfortable on the streets... it's great when pavement is super smooth, but for many of us, that's not the case. Carbon forks and steerer tubes can help negate this a bit.

I'd check out some steel offerings too.

AristoNYC

https://www.citygrounds.com/unknown/u...lloy-fork-3170 ?

Not sure of the quality of that frame but is that something your looking for style wise?