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    Senior Member catonec's Avatar
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    do you have a budget or are you just talking to yourself out loud.
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    Nothing wrong with n+1.

    Can't understand why people imagine they need carbon fibre anything ... unless it's to compensate for aluminium being such a crap material to make frames out of. Of course, if the lycra clad boys in your 'bunch' are going to laugh at you for not riding full carbon, and you actually care that they'll laugh, you probably do need carbon (you can assume that I have a difficult relationship with some lycra warriors, not all but a certain smug subset that are becoming increasingly common here).

    If you want a lighter, better bike, build it or get it built or buy it already built out of better quality steel. Yes, it'll cost you money but cheap ally and cheap carbon is both heavy and rubbish anyway.

    You'll save more real world weight in the components (which don't need to be carbon either) and you'll save the most real world weight by eating and exercising properly.

    Of course, if emotionally you will feel most fullfilled by starting with a carbon or ally/carbon frame, go for it, that's what building bikes is really all about. Function is only a part of that satisfaction.

    I still get my most satisfaction out of riding my old Europa - an eighties roadie made out of the normal cro-molly tubing of the day (ie, not super multi-butted tubing made of unobtanium steel, she's probably not even butted) with relaxed tubing and all the scars that thirty years of use can provide. Dunno why. Might be our time together. Might be something in the way she rides. Might be incipient insanity on my part. Might be because after many changes and upgrades and downgrades and regrades I've finally got her working in a manner that is perfect for me.
    I had a good bike ... so I FIXED it

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    Quote Originally Posted by catonec View Post
    do you have a budget or are you just talking to yourself out loud.
    Budget? Why you need a budget? Plan the build you want then work out how to pay for it. If you eventually decide you can't find the funds, then down grade a little or work out how to do it in bits eg, cheap wheelset to get her rolling now, save for the ubeaut wheelset later.
    I had a good bike ... so I FIXED it

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    when you"re trying to choose the "dream build" budget doesnt have to be the main concern. but when asking other people how to spend your money setting a limit is probably a good idea.

    I vote for carbon just because the "grumpy old bugga" is so against it. you already have a steel ride why build the same thing again? plus its cool.
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    **frowns at catonec**

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    I had a good bike ... so I FIXED it

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    Quote Originally Posted by europa View Post
    Budget? Why you need a budget? Plan the build you want then work out how to pay for it. If you eventually decide you can't find the funds, then down grade a little or work out how to do it in bits eg, cheap wheelset to get her rolling now, save for the ubeaut wheelset later.
    What he said !

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    @europa, you realize op isn't actually asking for any information but is just engaging in a weird form of "self-gratification", right? Why are you helping him out?

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    Completely normal.
    To dispel further doubt, stage 3 is a road bike, stage 4 is a cyclocross bike, stage 5 is a mountain bike. Terminal stage is a recumbent.
    I'm at stage. Wanting a carbon road bike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by europa View Post
    Of course, if emotionally you will feel most fullfilled by starting with a carbon or ally/carbon frame, go for it, that's what building bikes is really all about. Function is only a part of that satisfaction.
    "Is fulfillment always just around the corner or confined to short-lived pleasures? [...] Do you believe that if you acquire more things you will become more fulfilled, good enough, or psychologically complete?"

    n+1 is what we are conditioned to want. Resist.

    This is now a psychology thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by europa View Post
    Dunno why. Might be our time together. Might be something in the way she rides. Might be incipient insanity on my part. Might be because after many changes and upgrades and downgrades and regrades I've finally got her working in a manner that is perfect for me.
    Ahhh, love. It's a wonderful thing.
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